"Just the facts, Ma'am" - Sgt Joe Friday

Understanding
The Numbers

Studies

Smoking Bans
And Businesses

Odds and Ends

   

Smoking Ban Links


Nicotine Nannies claim smoking bans are good for business. But if that were the case, could this list exist, and could it be so huge? (Please note, this is only a small sample of articles available on the subject.)

This page uses blogging software to make it easier to search. Each post contains excerpts from the original article. Our comments are in italics. More detailed information is available here.

Archive for the ‘Clubs’ Category

Smoking ban has cleared the air, but businesses suffer

 
Thursday, November 13th, 2008

Carpenter works part time at the Legion. He said the smoking ban has driven away business. Pull tab receipts are down and people who used to be regular customers don’t come around as often and they don’t stay as long. Carpenter said veterans especially, should have a right to smoke in their own club.

“They’ve served their country, and a lot of them are older veterans,” Carpenter said. “They’re not going to stand outside in 35 below zero weather and smoke. I mean, they’ll sit at home and smoke.”

The Bemidji American Legion has been smoke free longer than most bars in the state. That’s because Beltrami County passed a smoking ban ordinance a full two years before the state did. Club manager Bill Rice said the ban is largely to blame for cutting the club’s business in half.

“We were doing two and a half million in business in gross sales a year,” Rice said. “We’re down to a little over a million this year.”

Rice has had to cut three jobs at the Legion since the smoking ban took effect.

Minnesota Licensed Beverage Association interim director Tony Chesak said it’s clear to him the ban is causing bars across the state to fail.

I’d say, realistically, 200 to 300 licensed establishments, at least, have closed,” Chesak said. “I would think that would be a conservative number.”

Membership in the association dropped about 25 percent this year. Chesak said the promise of non-smokers frequenting bars more often because of the smoke free law hasn’t panned out.

“All the anti-smoking folks had said, you know, you get smoking out of your facilities and we’ll come in droves,” said Chesak. “Well, those droves didn’t come out.” {They never do.}

A poll conducted in September shows Minnesotans support the statewide smoke-free law by an overwhelming 77 percent. Gordon said national studies have found that smoking bans don’t hurt businesses in states that have bans in place. {That’s only true of studies conducted by nicotine nannies or the governments that passed the law. The few studies funded by tavern associations show the real, devastating effects.}

Source: Minnesota Public Radio. Link.

Bowling alleys feel impact of smoking ban

 
Saturday, September 27th, 2008

Lost Lanes proprietor Natalie Hanks said her establishment has lost 74 regular bowlers from last season due to the recent state law that forbids smoking in public spaces. Her husband, Harry, estimated they had 250 bowlers in leagues last year.

“I would say 65 percent of the dropoff is related to the no smoking law and the other 35 percent for economy reasons,” said Hanks, who owns the 14-lane bowling alley and Found Lounge restaurant (connected to the bowling alley) with her husband Harry.

“We knew there would be a dropoff, but not this severe.”

“I know of four to six houses in Buffalo that closed due to the no smoking law,” Hanks said. “We’re nervous.”


Source: The Meadville Tribune.  Link

moking ban results in 11.7pc downturn for local clubs

 
Friday, August 8th, 2008

As of July 2007, smoking in enclosed areas of pubs and clubs across NSW has been banned.
 
ClubsNSW, which is the peak body for venues across the state, said clubs suffered their worst financial year ever, with overall club income falling by $385 million in the last financial year.

Figures from Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing estimate a revenue downturn of $26,052,814 in the Parramatta area – a fall of 11.7 per cent.

Source: Parramatta Sun.  Link

Bill would ease smoking ban

 
Tuesday, June 24th, 2008

Senate Bill 346 would exempt family-owned business, outdoor patios and private clubs from the current smoking ban.

“The time has come to take this step,” Cates said. “Why? Because this measure is hurting business in Ohio.”

The Moose Family Center has experienced a dramatic drop in business, which management blames on the smoking ban.

Revenue for the lodge is down at least 60 percent since the ban, said Larry Turner, govenor of the lodge. To be successful, they need to bring in about $28,000 a week; last week they brought in $16,000, Turner said.

Turner dismisses claims from the American Cancer Society and other pro-smoking ban groups that have said more customers would be attracted to places where smoking is banned.

“It’s a damn lie. It’s not happening. You can’t find that anywhere in Ohio,” Turner said.

“The law ensures that all business will operate on a level playing field with one fair, statewide standard that is easy to enforce. Furthermore, the intent of the law—to protect all workers from secondhand smoke— was clearly communicated to Ohio voters,” [American Cancer Society Nanny] Hoctor said.

(Ah yes, the famous, favorite line of the nannies, a level playing field. They still haven’t figured out their constant use of the phrase reveals the lie of bans being good for business. If they were, there would be no need for their cherished “level playing field.”)

Source: Cincinnati.com. Link

Smoking ban results in 40,000 bars shutting down in France

 
Thursday, June 19th, 2008

According to an article in Britain’s Times newspaper, the smoking ban has destroyed the nightlife for bars night clubs in France. The article stated that ever since the smoking ban went into effect on January 1st

the French are prefer to stay home and host house parties. A whopping twenty percent of the 200,000 bars in the nation have been closed down. It is stated that 40,000 bars have been shut down since the onset of the smoking ban. The public is choosing to stay at home, smoke and have fun at house parties as the newly preferred style of night life.

Sabah.com Link.

Smoking ban putting clubs at risk

 
Friday, April 18th, 2008

Mick Hudson, treasurer of Seaton Carew Social Club, said: “We are £18,000 down on beer sales in the last six months – and we are one of the clubs that is just about coping.

“When you look at the membership, our figures have dropped from about 450 to around 300 in the last year, so we have lost a third of the members.

“People can buy cheap drink in the shops and stay at home, they don’t want to be standing outside in the cold, smoking. When the members drop, there is a knock-on effect everywhere. The money over the bar drops, we have to put prices up, we don’t make enough to cover the costs of putting entertainment on and so on.

Source: Hartlepool Mail. Link

Smoke ban threat to social clubs

 
Thursday, April 17th, 2008

because of a chronic shortage of customers.Up to 15 working men’s clubs in County Durham could be forced to close over the next 18 months.

A combination of the smoking ban and the availability of cheap booze in supermarkets is being blamed.

“The smoking legislation is having a serious effect on our clubs. Some of our clubs are up to £1,500 a week down.

Source: BBC News. Link

Snooker halls facing final frame decider as smoking ban kicks in

 
Thursday, April 17th, 2008

With memberships in decline, once-busy clubs are closing as owners struggle to break even.

But the clubs are not as crowded as you might expect. In fact, if you can find one still open, you should be able to breeze in for a frame pretty much any time.

Club owners warned this week that traditional snooker and pool halls across the country are shutting up shop after a downturn in trade. Many believe the decline is an unforeseen by-product of the smoking ban, now nearly one year old.

Kentish Town Snooker in Holmes Road – once thriving with 18 tables across two floors – closed last year, and next to disappear of the map is the Camden Snooker Club in Delancey Street, Camden Town.

It faces demolition this summer after its regulars were unable to convince a planning inspector – despite a 500-strong petition – that there was enough interest to save it from the bulldozer.

“We have just found out that 50 clubs have closed in the past two years.”

“The whole snooker scene is quieter these days. It is definitely much quieter since the smoking ban. There are fewer young people too.

Source: Camden New Journal. Lin

Final curtain for smoke ban club

 
Monday, March 3rd, 2008

Nestled in the heart of a North Shore residential area, the club has been a local for hundreds of members for nearly three decades.

But a nationwide smoking ban, imposed by the Government last July, has stubbed out the social club’s fortunes, forcing owner David Hall to close its often-crowded concert room.

“The smoking ban is killing clubland, not only in Blackpool, but across the UK.

“I remember a time – not that long ago – when this place was packed every night.

“Now we are lucky if we get a handful of people.

“The smoking ban has killed this place.
The Government should have thought more about the laws before they brought them in.”

His wife Barbara, 68, said: “There’s always been a real community spirit about the place. We have met so many of our friends here, friends for life.”

Customer Carol Ramsden added her best wishes to the owner. She said: “It’s such a shame for everyone but the smoking ban is to blame.

Source: Blackpool Gazette. Link

Smoke ban shuts Blackpool club

 
Tuesday, February 26th, 2008

A SECOND social club in Blackpool has closed blaming the smoking ban for driving members away.

And its owners today warned others will follow.

The curtain will come down on the Claremont Theatre Club on Friday after two decades.

It follows the shock closure of the Central Club in Kent Road.

Claremont owner David Hall said in its heyday his Sherbourne Road club boasted 1,000 members. Numbers have now dwindled to just 100.

He said: “I’ve had days recently when I’ve only taken £20 all day and you can’t survive on that. The smoking ban has crucified my business, and it’s doing the same to everyone.

He said: “I’ve had days recently when I’ve only taken £20 all day and you can’t survive on that. The smoking ban has crucified my business, and it’s doing the same to everyone.

The Central Club closed just a few weeks ago.

A statement from management at the once hugely popular venue said: “We regret that due to increased running costs, government legislation and the smoking ban we are now closed.”

Julie Sandwell, of Blackpool-based Sandwell Entertainments which books acts for venues including social clubs, said business was the toughest it had ever been in the agency’s 27-year history.

She said: “It’s a real shame the Claremont Theatre Club is closing. I have definitely noticed quite a drop in business because of the smoking ban.

Meanwhile, there are a number of pubs in the resort currently shut including The Bloomfield on Ansdell Road, the Oxford in Oxford Square, the former Lionel Vinyl’s in Clifton Street, the Royal on Marton Drive and the Cedar Tavern in Cedar Square.

Source: Blackpool Gazette. Link

Smoking ban for post riles veterans

 
Sunday, February 24th, 2008

Cohasset health officials are trying to ban smoking in the George Mealy American Legion post – the last private club in town where smoking is allowed – but some veterans say that, after serving their country, they have earned the right to light up if they wish.

“My personal feeling as a veteran is we deserve something a little bit special,” Vietnam veteran Bill Van Note said. “It’s nice to come in here and smoke and share our stories. At one point in time, we were willing to pay out with our lives for this country. Give us a break. Let us have our piece of the world.”

Van Note said the meeting with selectmen on March 10 is “meaningless” in his opinion. “The handwriting is on the wall. This is knee-jerk anti-smokers who never paid the price to belong here.”

(Yep, you guys litteraly risked your life for freedom, and the nicotine nannies are using that freedom to kick you out of your own place.)

“I think any veteran who wants to come in here and have a cigarette or cigar should be able to,” Dolan said. “We have a veteran who is 82 years old. He comes in and has a drink and smokes his pipe. People know what’s involved here when they walk through the door.”

(Sorry, old man. You once risked your life for your country, but you’re an evil evil smoker, so you must be kicked out in the cold and the rain. Otherwise, it would annoy a nanny, who would never visit the club, and we can’t have that, can we?)

Source: Boston.com Link

Smoking Ban Means Number’s Up For Bingo Hall

 
Monday, October 29th, 2007

ANTI-tobacco campaigners have slammed bars and nightclubs that promote outdoor smoking areas, saying they flout the spirit of strict bans introduced in July.

Dr Mark Westcott, a vascular surgeon from St Vincent’s Hospital, drives past Abbotsford’s Terminus Hotel every day, and said he was disgusted by a sign that encouraged patrons to “smoke in comfort & style”.

“This promotion may not be against the letter of the law, but it’s definitely against the intention of the law, which is to stop smoking in pubs,” Dr Westcott said. “This is indirect advertising of tobacco.”

Other Melbourne nightclubs have used emails to advertise smoking spaces, while South Yarra nightclub Q Bar sent text messages to its database of private members.

“Q: new licenced smoking area open 2nite so bring carton and lets go!” the message states.

Q Bar manager Richard Chatfield conceded that an area in front of the Toorak Road nightclub had been provided for smokers. He said the text message promotion complied with Victoria’s tobacco regulations.

But Quit Victoria executive director Fiona Sharkie said the message could constitute a tobacco advertisement, which breached Commonwealth legislation.

Ms Sharkie called on federal Minister for the Ageing Christopher Pyne to investigate. (I’m telling, nyah nayh nayh!)

(So bars come up with a way to keep their business afloat by providing a comfortable place for their smoking customers to sit outside, and that’s still not enough for these miserable whiny little pricks? Do you need any more proof that these people hate smokers?)

Source: The Age. Link

West Knox business challenges smoking ban

 
Wednesday, October 17th, 2007

KNOXVILLE (WATE) — According to the health department, the smoking ban law says that an establishment has to allow all smoking all the time, or never at all.

On Sunday nights, the Electric Cowboy has ‘College Night’ which is the only night those under 21 can enter and the only night it is smoke free.

The health department’s interpretation of the law says this is illegal. Van Veelen believes this is up for debate and will be debated in the next legislative session.

Van Veelen believes the law was written without thinking of consequences. Another unintended consequence is having to lay off those under 21 if the establishment allows smoking. He’s had to lose about ten employees and thinks this is another part of the law that needs to change.

(Once again, the nicotine nannies protect workers right out of a job.)

Source: wate.com. Link

Nipped in the butt

 
Thursday, April 13th, 2006

EVERETT, Wash.—Less than a dozen cars speckled the parking lot outside the White Elephant Bar and Grill on a recent Saturday night in this growing Seattle suburb. Inside, most booths and tables sat empty while two electronic dart boards hung unused on the side wall. A handful of customers encircled the restaurant’s lone pool table, sipping beers and conversing easily at normal volume levels. Owners John and Donna Kerns leaned on the end of a deserted bar and watched helplessly as their once buzzing establishment choked to a slow death on its clean, smoke-free air.

Six months ago, that hub teemed with activity, drawing several thousand people on any given weekend. Now, business is down more than 50 percent. The Kernses, both in their 60s, have laid off employees and significantly trimmed their hours of operation.

Source: World Magazine. Link

Hennepin County board considers exemptions to smoke ban

 
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005

Minneapolis, Minn. — The dining room in American Legion Post 600 in Champlin is large enough to fit more than 200 people. It features a small stage in the corner for live music, a couple large screen televisions and arcade-style video games. But during lunchtime on a recent weekday, only four customers are present.

Legion managers say business is down 25 percent since the smoke ban took effect in Hennepin County. As a result, they’ve had to layoff one of their 30 employees. Bartender Mary Voss says in her 34 years at this this Post, she’s never seen business so bad.

Voss says business started dropping soon after commissioners enacted the ban in April. The post is located just across the border from Anoka County where there is no ban. Voss says that’s where a lot of the smoking customers have gone.

“And they’ve taken all of our non-smoking customers with them,” she says. “Because our smoking customers and the non-smoking customers are friends, they all hang out together. If they don’t go across the river, they stay home.”

“You can see the business has gone down a lot,” says Voss. “It’s tough.”

Voss says business started dropping soon after commissioners enacted the ban in April. The post is located just across the border from Anoka County where there is no ban. Voss says that’s where a lot of the smoking customers have gone.

“And they’ve taken all of our non-smoking customers with them,” she says. “Because our smoking customers and the non-smoking customers are friends, they all hang out together. If they don’t go across the river, they stay home.”

Data from the Minnesota Department of Revenue shows a decrease in total taxable sales for establishments that sell liquor in Champlin over the past year. In 2004, for the months of April, May and June, Champlin establishments made $1.63 million in total taxable sales. In 2005, that number fell to $1.46 million.

Taxable sales have gone up for establishments in Coon Rapids, which is just across the border into Anoka county.

“Right after the smoking ban took effect, I had a young man come in in his cammies and his dad came in and they each ordered a beer,” says Voss. “He went to light up a cigarette and I told him he couldn’t smoke. Do you know that poor man just came in from Baghdad that day? Does anybody know what it’s like to have to tell someone who’s fighting for us that they can’t even smoke in their own club? That just made me sick.”

Source: Minnesota Public Radio. Link

Coping with the smoking ban

 
Sunday, December 4th, 2005

Many business owners say the ban, approved in a bitter contest in May 2002, by 52 percent of Tempe’s voters, was the reason their profits hemorrhaged.

“My bar business after 9 p.m. dropped $200,000 a year. Not only did it drop, it dropped overnight,” said Steve Goumas, owner of Rúla Búla on Mill Avenue. He said revenue is only now returning to the levels before May 2002.

Many quickly sunk tens of thousands of dollars into constructing patios to afford customers the chance to light up, only to see their investments fail to pay off in a timely fashion.

Bar owners and musicians maintain the ban has had a profound impact on venues featuring local musicians.

“It killed the music scene in Tempe,” Goumas said.

Longtime local musician and non-smoker Walt Richardson has called Tempe home since 1974. The folk and reggae performer hosts weekly open-mike nights in Mill Avenue venues.

“There was definitely a night-and-day difference,” Richardson said. “(The ban) affected how many people would come out to the shows. People were afraid they could get arrested, in terms of the way the laws read on the smoking ban.”

Source: The Arizona Republic. Link

Bar, eatery owners ask county to reconsider smoking ban

 
Friday, November 25th, 2005

Martin Duffy, owner of Duffy’s Bar and Grill in Osseo, said his income decreased 35 percent from March, the last month before the smoking restrictions went into effect, and May.

Jeff Ormond, who owns Gabby’s Saloon and Eatery in northeast Minneapolis, said he has seen his business slip 12 percent in April and 24 percent in May.

Ormond co-founded the Minneapolis Hospitality Association, a group of more than 60 bars and restaurants in Hennepin’s largest city…very business on the {MHA}list has reported losses of 10 to 50 percent of its regular monthly business in two months. He said that he has personally cut 10 of his 93 employees in the past two months.

In March, she said the VFW’s gross receipts exceeded $400,000. In April and May, she said receipts are closer to $250,000. Gambling receipts, she said, are down 46 percent. Money lost to the smoking ban, she said, is money lost for local charities.

Source: MN Sun. Link Expired

Pubs ‘hit hard’ by smoking ban

 
Wednesday, October 12th, 2005

“I know of bars that are down by as much as 50 per cent,” he said.

“I would suggest there has been at least 20 per cent across the board.”

Mr Hennessy said with all the other legislation that was targeting the hospitality industry, such as the Holidays Act, many suburban and rural pubs may be forced to close.

O’Malley’s Irish Bar in Rotorua has also been feeling the effects of the legislation. Owner Terry Meagher said the bar’s revenue had been down by about 20 per cent and many other bar owners were experiencing the same thing.

He said O’Malley’s had been closing earlier during the weeknights because people were simply choosing to go home rather than stand outside and smoke – especially in the winter.

Some clubs claim to have lost about $150,000.

Source: The Daily Post. Link

Smoking ban spells end for Mall of America night life

 
Saturday, September 24th, 2005

BLOOMINGTON, Minn. (AP) — Night life at the Mall of America has become a thing of the past.

A smoking ban in Bloomington …….has led three bars and night clubs to close in the last week.

Last week three establishments — Jillian’s Hi-Life Lanes, Player’s Bar & Grill and America’s Original Sports Bar — abruptly closed.

Experts say the smoking ban was the biggest reason for the development. ……….

Source: My Fox via Clearing The Air. Link

VFW Post Blames Low Business On Smoking Ban

 
Friday, August 5th, 2005

Hopkins, Minn. (WCCO) ― VFW Posts are more than just places where veterans socialize. The posts are also major charitable contributors, but some posts said they are putting the donations on hold.

The reason some posts give: the Hennepin County smoking ban.

The VFW Post 425 in Hopkins, Minn. has seen a 20 percent decline at the bar in recent months.

“I knew it was gonna be bad,” said Mark Peterson, the VFW gambling manager. “I didn’t think it was gonna be this bad.”

“And you’re telling me a 91-year-old vet of World War II shouldn’t be able to smoke a cigar at his own post?” asked VFW bartender Carolyn Dreeszen. “That’s ridiculous.”

The real bad luck is at the pulltab counter, where business is down nearly 30 percent. That money should be going to charity.

“We’ve suspended all of our donations right now, until we find out how well we’re gonna weather this,” said Peterson.

The post planned on donating another $30,000 to scholarships, school groups and baseball teams, but now, the vets have a bigger worry.

“What’s in jeopardy is closing the doors of the building,” said Peterson.

Source: wcco.com. Link

City smoking bans drag down business for some

 
Thursday, May 12th, 2005

In Pueblo, bar and restaurant owners tick off the list of businesses that have closed since a nonsmoking ordinance was passed two years ago.

There’s Mugsy’s and the Town Tavern, longtime watering holes near the Rocky Mountain Steel Mill; Bruno’s Beer Joynt downtown; Pepper’s, a northside dance club; and The Silver Saddle, a decades-old dance hall on the south side.

Pete Meersman, president of the Colorado Restaurant Association, said Pueblo’s experience is typical of a migration in Colorado cities that have banned smoking. Smoking customers simply move from restaurants and bars inside the city to those outside.

“If you take Pueblo, Fort Collins and all of these cities, there are places just outside the city limits that saw an increase in business, especially the bar crowd,” Meersman said.

The Restaurant Association of Maryland found that restaurant and bar business fell by 11 percent in Talbot County during the year after a smoking ban was enacted.

“We found that the economic damage to smaller independent restaurants and bars was much more significant than large chain restaurants,” said Melvin Thompson of the Restaurant Association of Maryland.

Source: The Rocky Mountain News. Link expired.

Smoking ban will crimp charitable gambling

 
Monday, December 13th, 2004

For example, a survey by the Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association during the first month of the province’s ban that took effect Oct. 1, found New Brunswick’s smoking ban was having a negative impact on establishments with bars, pubs, taverns, legions and night clubs. In this survey, 71 percent of respondents reported sharp declines in liquor sales. In small businesses the effect was pronounced, with pubs, taverns and bars reporting that liquor sales fell almost 14 percent from the same time a year earlier. At legion clubs, the survey found, the decline was almost 19 percent.

Estimates range as high as 60 percent for the number of bingo players who smoke. Crary and Jim Newcomer, commander of VFW Post 1296 predict that once the smoking ban goes into effect, bingo will die as a source of charitable funds in Bloomington and player will migrate to the Indian casino at Mystic Lake. For the VFW, which rents the attached space next to its club for use as a bingo hall, that could mean as much as $182,000 in lost revenue.

What do losses like that mean to the community? Steve Enebo, a VFW trustee, and Patty Gustner, club manager for American Legion Post 550, rattled off a number of contributions to veterans organizations and to active service men and women and their families — everything from washers, dryers and television sets for the VA medical center to “care packages” for military personnel to Cub Foods certificates for military families to honor guards for funerals to a hospice suite at the VA medical center.

But then the self-righteous will be able to drink and dine without the annoyance of other people’s bad habits. What is value of an American flag on the coffin of a war veteran compared to a benefit like that?

Soruce: Pioneer Press. Link Expired.

More than 70% of bars and pubs hurt by New Brunswick smoking ban

 
Monday, December 13th, 2004

The smoking ban is having a devastating impact on the small businesses that dominate the pub, bar, tavern and nightclub sector of the hospitality industry. Fully 79% of drinking establishments report the smoking ban is having an impact and 71% say the impact is negative. Pubs, bars and taverns report an average decline in liquor sales of 23.9% in October compared to a year earlier, nightclubs a decline of 34.5% and legions a decline of 18.8%.

Source: Canada NewsWire Group. Link Expired.

New noise plan silent on smoking law’s impact

 
Saturday, June 5th, 2004

[NY Nanny Mayor Boomburg has proposed forcing bars to close at 1 AM, which for many is their most profitable time. The problem? His ban is forcing patrons out on the street where the noise is bothering the neighbors.]

“It’s an irresolvable problem that the city’s created,” said Robert Bookman, attorney for the New York Nightlife Association, of the noise pollution created by the smoking ban. “Short of [citing someone for] disturbing the peace, there’s nothing you can do about people out on the street. It gets into a difficult constitutional problem: you’re allowed to be on the street.”

If nothing else, the smoking ban has increased animosity between bar owners and residents, and it is unclear whether the new noise legislation will alleviate or exacerbate the problem. “[The smoking ban] has helped create an antagonistic environment between the community and the clubs,” said Bookman, attorney for the Nightlife Association. “The music has never been a big problem. I can count on my hands the number of times an establishment has gotten a repeat violation for music.”

Source: The Villager Link

More than 70% of bars and pubs hurt by New Brunswick smoking ban

 
Monday, May 24th, 2004

The smoking ban is having a devastating impact on the small businesses that dominate the pub, bar, tavern and nightclub sector of the hospitality industry. Fully 79% of drinking establishments report the smoking ban is having an impact and 71% say the impact is negative. Pubs, bars and taverns report an average decline in liquor sales of 23.9% in October compared to a year earlier, nightclubs a decline of 34.5% and legions a decline of 18.8%.

Source: Canada NewsWire Group. Link Expired.

 

© 2000 - 2011 Dave Hitt

Permission is granted to use this information, in whole or in part, however you like.
Attribution and Links are appreciated but not required.

WordPress Theme Designed By (dasmetech developers, dasmetech@gmail.com)

Home | Contact Us


Like this? Find more at DaveHitt.Com