Never Talk to the Police

What’s the best response when a cop asks you something?

Silence, or a short, polite non-answer.

Shut up. Just. Shut. Up. The police are not your friends. They are not there to protect you. They are there to arrest you, convict you, and take your money or your freedom or both.

You should be polite and calm whenever dealing with any armed person.  It’s even more important when that person knows they can shoot you without any serious consequences. But don’t say any more than you have to.

These videos made the rounds about a year ago. If you haven’t seen them, watch them now. If you have seen them, watch them again. Don’t let the length put you off; the information could make a difference between jail and freedom.

In the first part of the first video a fast talking law professor gives you detailed reasons why you should never talk to the police.

This is part two, where a former police officer fills in the details.

Here are some practical examples of how to legally preserve your rights in an encounter with police:

Ok, after all that heavy duty stuff, we need a breather. Here’s some good NSFW advice from Chris Rock’s “How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police.”

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199 Comment(s)

  1. I enjoyed those videos immensely, even if they don’t necessarily have any bearing on the laws of my homeland. I kinda wish I lived in a country that had those sorts of rights clearly enumerated in a constitution rather than buried in less readable documents. I also envy the 5th amendment as a right, rather than a privilege as it is here in Australia. Enjoy your bill of rights while you still have some of it left.

    George Jefferies | Apr 3, 2010 | Reply

  2. I have nothing but respect for the organization that we call the police. In most cases they are there to protect the general citizenry. So long as you follow the laws you should never have any problems. But like you say, just shut up when they approach you. Don’t give them any reason to be coming after you. If they take you into custody, cooperate and you’ll be fine so long as you haven’t done anything wrong. Sure there are cases where there are bad cops, but as a whole the police are respectable people and you should have nothing to fear of them unless provoked.

    Many cases that we hear of are out of the norm, you hear about them because they are wrong. You never hear about the cop that rightfully arrests a man who has been beating is wife because that is what they are there for. Arresting those who commit crimes and protecting the innocent. In most cases that is what happens. I’m assuming the poster got caught smoking weed and is bitter about it cause he feels it should be legal. Well suck it up dude, it’s against the law and until then don’t get your ass caught and you won’t have a problem.

    That or you’re black, if that’s the case then there’s no hope for you cause the mans gotta keep you down, yall know wut ahm sayin? /sarcasm

    doc | Jun 16, 2010 | Reply

  3. Don’t forget that the Supreme Court ruled just a couple of weeks ago that you have to actually say you are using your Miranda Rights to not speak. Just remaining quiet isn’t enough, even if you remain quiet for hours. So you have to speak to say you are not going to speak.

    Chris | Jun 16, 2010 | Reply

  4. You are a fucking moron and I hope a cop caps you in the head.

    Borius | Jun 17, 2010 | Reply

  5. Well, officer, I’m sure if that happens he’ll get away with it.

    BTW, I’d recommended anyone more interested in this subject visit some cop forums and observe the testosterone poisoning first hand. You’ll never look at cops the same way again.

    Hittman | Jun 17, 2010 | Reply

  6. ‘can shoot you without any serious consequences’…Ummm,No. I would love to hear someone,somewhere chime in on the REAL Police Brutality going on….that is,the brutality visited upon cops every day by the hyper violent,ultra spoiled,uber entitled overgrown children that pass as our fine upstanding ‘citizens’ nowadays. Ever handle a bad domestic by yourself,Mr.’Hittman’? You wouldnt last a minute….

    Barry | Jun 18, 2010 | Reply

  7. Aw, poor poor little police.

    I’d have a lot more sympathy if we didn’t see new videos, practically daily, of severe police abuse toward people and pets.

    It’s not my job to handle a bad domestic. It’s yours. But if there was something going on in my neighborhood I wouldn’t call the cops unless I wanted to see the neighbor and/or their dog shot. There’s no one in the neighborhood I dislike that much.

    I used to like and respect cops, but then they became quasi-military thugs and collection agents for bankrupt states. It’s rather sad when something bad happens and the first thing a lot of people think is “whatever you do, *don’t* call the cops!”

    Dave Hitt | Jun 18, 2010 | Reply

  8. I agree that there are some bad cops. This is true of every profession. The truth is there are far more good than bad. If people weren’t dumb and broke the law the police wouldn’t bug them. There are a few cops that will bug you regardless and in that case cooperate and build a civil case against them. That’s the way to handle an abusive or illegal cop. So stop crying that cops hate the public, they hate criminals.

    Alex | Jun 18, 2010 | Reply

  9. If there are good cops, then they ought to denounce those bad cops, the ones who shoot unarmed grandmothers and seven-year-old girls. Instead, they help protect them. The so-called “good” cops still help to cover for their thug coworkers’ crimes; people who go to the station to make a complaint about an officer’s behavior are frequently subjected to harassment and threats throughout the process and after the complaint is registered.
    By helping to protect their fellow cops from prosecution, they support the right of cops to abuse whoever they want without consequence.

    Angela | Jun 19, 2010 | Reply

  10. All things considered we’d probably be worse off without cops

    Chris | Jun 19, 2010 | Reply

  11. I will be armed with an audio recording device if I ever need to file a complaint. hello Mr. Mayor, would you like to hear some coercion??

    chris | Jun 19, 2010 | Reply

  12. >>>All things considered we’d probably be worse off without cops<<<

    Twenty years ago I would have replied "Of course!"

    These days, I'm not so sure. And what's changed my mind is the actions of the police themselves, not only the increasingly militant and thuggish behavior, but, as Angela said, their *support* of other thuggish cops.

    Hittman | Jun 19, 2010 | Reply

  13. Next time you get mugged, your house is burgled, some one shoots you, your car is stolen, your wife is murdered, call Mr Hitt.

    sarah | Jun 20, 2010 | Reply

  14. Sarah must live in one incredibly dangerous place. Maybe that place is inside her head.

    Poochie | Jun 20, 2010 | Reply

  15. Next time you get mugged, your house is burgled, some one shoots you, your car is stolen, your wife is murdered, call Mr Hitt.

    Who, at the very least, won’t shoot your dog: http://tinyurl.com/23lrplh

    Hittman | Jun 20, 2010 | Reply

  16. this is extremely ignorant and disgusts me entirely.

    Michelle | Jun 20, 2010 | Reply

  17. fuck pigs.

    Bob B. Bobberson | Jun 21, 2010 | Reply

  18. “Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”

    phz | Jun 21, 2010 | Reply

  19. Oh, and another by one of my favorite thinkers, the Baron de Montesquieu:

    “There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.”

    phz | Jun 21, 2010 | Reply

  20. Indeed.
    Fuck the police.

    X | Jun 21, 2010 | Reply

  21. hit man is right. I’m an Ex LAPD served 28 years seen it change from not so good to worse the Police force turned from proctors of the people to government thugs. in 10 years retired early because of it.

    jack klugman | Jun 21, 2010 | Reply

  22. had a long 12 hour day at work on a ranch, pulled out onto the highway and got immediately pulled over for “touching the center line” (did not know that was an offense), pulled out of the car against my will, car searched without permission, they found a weed pipe with some residue in it. they arrested me and at court a mysterious altoids tin filled with marijuana appeard. i didn’t have weed but apparently the cops did. so a year of probation later i don’t trust cops.

    brooke | Jun 22, 2010 | Reply

  23. Wow. This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever stumbled upon. Literally. Yes there are bad cops. Yes, it sucks when you cross one. No, not every cop is looking for a reason to fuck over the normal populace. Brooke, touching the center line may not be an offense, but it is an indicator for alcohol. It’s called “vehicle in motion”. You can be removed from your vehicle and searched for apparently no reason at all. But there is a reason. It’s called officer safety. As far as your pipe goes, you probably shouldn’t keep it in your pocket, especially when a cop has just pulled you over. THAT was just dumb of you. The tin of weed? Maybe you got a crooked cop who wanted a stronger bust. Or maybe you forgot you had because you are perma-stoned. Who knows? I know I don’t.
    Anyway, tl;dr people are dumb, cops aren’t really out to screw over the general populace.

    Germ | Jun 22, 2010 | Reply

  24. “Wow. This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever stumbled upon. Literally. Yes there are bad cops. Yes, it sucks when you cross one. No, not every cop is looking for a reason to fuck over the normal populace.”

    Yea, it’s ignorant when you have the good cops investigating you. But how do you know? Better safe than sorry.

    G | Jun 23, 2010 | Reply

  25. Everybody relax. These videos are not saying all cops are crooked, they are explaining that for your own sake, there is no need to speak to them if they question you over a crime you didn’t commit. That isn’t you disrespecting the police force or its value to society, it is you making sure that you don’t get involved in something you have nothing to do with. It’s pretty simple.

    Mark | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  26. Hahaha, this author is a little bitch. All these crybabies whining about how the U.S. is turning into a “police state”. You have no idea what a police state is. For one, if you lived in a police state you wouldn’t be able to post bullshit like this without having your face punched in.

    Officer Suckme | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  27. Cops are not really about public safety anymore. They’re an occupying force. It’s an us against them mentality. If you’re not a cop or active duty military (preferably army or marine )too then you’re one of them and are probably armed and dangerous. Shoot first. Ask questions later. Just watch how most cops treat ‘civilians’. Its obvious they’d love to screw you over given an opportunity.

    Les | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  28. That’s the bottom line, less.

    The War on Some Drugs, combined with the militarization of the police, has moved them from “protect and serve” to “screw everyone at every opportunity.” Many Americans are still living in the past, back when the police were public servants, and still consider them heros. And I suppose some of them, somewhere, still are. But for the most part they’ve become a group of dangerous thugs itching for that testosterone rush that comes from harassing citizens.

    Imagine how much of a dick you’d become if most of the people you worked with were swaggering dicks and you all knew you could get away with anything, including murder.

    Hittman | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  29. you people are stupid.
    it’s not about good cops or bad cops
    right or wrong
    it’s about how the system works (or doesn’t) and how you are better off not talking to the police no matter what.

    !!IT CAN NOT BENEFIT YOU!!
    just wait for your lawyer and hope it’s a good one.

    shame though the justice system seems to be more about rules and technicalities than actual justice.

    kind of contradicting myself here though because I did manage to talk my way out of getting arrested before
    but that was just about some shitty vandalism (fire in a barrel is vandalism apparantly even if you bring your own barrel)
    not something that would ever make it to court

    zwenkwiel | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  30. Zwenkwiel, you have made this discussion infinitely epic when you said, and I quote “fire in a barrel is vandalism apparantly even if you bring your own barrel”..

    That is epic knowledge.

    Khaleo | Jun 24, 2010 | Reply

  31. It’s more than just whether they are good cops or bad…They are implementing social control with pysciatry, drugs and sex. The police are there to maintain and perpetuate the control. This will lead to a complete and transparent police state in the US, whereas in the UK, they are already gone.

    Mental Health laws are being made daily to support the police state environment. Of course all this is for our own good.

    Everything is always about control and they are using psychiatry as a tool to suppress people, and even good cops fall under their spell…They are part of creating the social instability in order to police it.

    They have gone from peace officers to corporate security gaurds.

    Will the U.S. military go against American citizens if so ordered by the Federal Government?

    It was reported that a 46-question survey was handed out in May, 1994, to “300 randomly selected” Marines (veterans of the Panama operation and the Persian Gulf War) at the Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base in the Mohave Desert about 70 miles east of San Bernadino, California. The soldiers were asked for their reaction to various statements, such as U.S. military troops being commanded by U.N. officers, whether the President “has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary-General,” and if they would serve in a United Nations military force to “maintain world peace.”

    The survey was concluded with this:

    “46. The U.S. Government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. Government.”

    Foreign soldiers have been training with American troops in order to function as a cohesive multi-national unit that will operate under the authority of the United Nations. A multi-national U.N. military force stationed in this country would fire upon American citizens.

    The attack on David Koresh and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas [in 1993] may have been just a glimpse of what is going to happen in the future to groups who don’t toe the government line.

    In order to control the population, rather than the wholesale [public] slaughter of people that would further turn public opinion against them, large groups of people will be rounded up to be sent to detention centers for questioning, incarceration, or worse. Michael Maholy, who for 20 years was a CIA-Naval Intelligence agent, said about the detention centers:

    “Oh, all of us in the intelligence community know about the concentration camps in America. We all know that they are to terminate the resisters of the New World Order under martial law.”

    Without a doubt we have good cops and bad cops…but their whole objective is to create a police state…how good cops are going to survive in that world will be very difficult.

    Tom says, | Jun 25, 2010 | Reply

  32. Really interesting. Anyone interested in the law, should definitely view the videos. Thank you for the post.

    Andrew | Jun 26, 2010 | Reply

  33. Of course, none of this will help you if you live in Michigan, where the police don’t even care if they arrest you or not, only confiscation of personal property, which thanks to our supreme court and implicitly upheld by SCOTUS refusal to hear appeals, they can even do if you’re a victim and sought police aid. See, Michigan Supreme Court decided that the 4th amendment only applies if a warrant is obtained first, and that the 5th doesn’t apply to seizure for police use.

    Google Sheriff William Federspiel for a case study in what the police in Michigan can do. Our recent accomplishments in police victory were systematically raiding the homes of every certified medical marijuana grower in the county and seizing hundreds of thousands of legal property, charging upwards of $5,000 per person for it’s return, and seizing a stolen Mustang for “official” (read: personal) use rather than returning it to it’s rightful owner.

    hevach | Jun 26, 2010 | Reply

  34. Ok, I am getting SICK of seeing blogs like these! I’m a criminal justice major and in no way am I doing it in order to arrest people. Sure, it’s to get people who are doing things ILLEGAL locked up, but seriously, I’ll do my best to get the right person locked up for their crimes. I doubt that there’s anyone who wants the wrong person locked up. I chose my major because I want to protect people and make a difference. I wouldn’t be meeting my goal in life arresting just anyone. Hell, I don’t even agree with the war on drugs because it’s a fucked up way of dealing with things and only MAKES it worse. Doing things ILLEGAL when you KNOW that it’s ILLEGAL is just stupid as shit.

    Lee | Jul 1, 2010 | Reply

  35. Lee, if you’re really interested in Justice you’d celebrate posts like this, knowing that it can help the innocent stay free, and you’d be speaking out against thug cops at every opportunity.

    I used to like the police. It’s wasn’t the volume of stories of police brutality and them literally getting away with murder that changed my mind, it was the attitude I saw prominently displayed on police forums. There was unabashed support for brutal, murderous activity, and an attitude that anyone who didn’t *immediately* do whatever a cop told them to do, no matter how unreasonable, deserved whatever they got.

    Lee, when you’re ordered to conduct a SWAT raid on a family suspected of having an illegal plant or two, will you bust down their door at 4 AM? Will you shoot their dog? What will you do if they pick up a gun to defend themselves?

    Hittman | Jul 1, 2010 | Reply

  36. I didn’t really care for him saying people are stupid, despite it being true, but that kind of reflects why people hate cops, because they know cops “think” this way, and it’s degrading, and he kinda just admitted it, which is ironic in that the point of this vid is to not speak so as to not inexplicably convict yourself.

    Bobby | Jul 4, 2010 | Reply

  37. I used to be a city policeman in west Texas, now I work as a trucker running a one truck business. Transportation workers have to deal with a wide variety of public officials. Most of them professional and some disgracefully and shamefully not. I have been using most of these tips for years and have never regretted it. I lock my drivers’ door at weigh stations and border checkpoints. I have always refused consent to search and expected the angry tirade that follows (It almost always does, it’s actually a test- don’t fail it). I do not answer questions about my paperwork- I simply refuse to be the next person to speak at all. Through threats of arrest and search warrants, through verbal intimidation and outragous tirades by armed angry redneck cops (the unprofessional ones that were mentioned earlier) I have so far always walked away with nothing more than traffic or parking tickets. Most of those have been negotiated to dismissal or a lesser charge. A few times I have filed complaints against the officials that made the mistake of using profanity when they lost thier temper or professional bearing. I have one letter of apology from a small town police chief that fired his officer for his “lack of professional judgement and disregard for standard operating procedure”. When I’m old and long retired it will hang on my livingroom wall like a great trophy.
    My point is this: ALWAYS politely question and limit authority, it’s every American Citizen’s responsibility. Even if you lose, you win.

    Dave | Jul 5, 2010 | Reply

  38. This is to Germ. shut up. We know you don’t know. maybe you should make a statement without babbling incoherently about things you admit you don’t know.

    Also, all these people making comments about how this is ignorant are apparently thinking of the good old days when cops had some common decency and murderers spent longer in jail than weed dealers. I’ve smoked weed with police and had to kick an undercover out of my house for puking all over my floor and trying to get my friends to do some coke with him. Coke he brought into my house. I don’t condone anything but weed. I actually don’t even like alcohol to tell the truth. This was the same guy who raided my house a month later and acted like he didn’t know me. Then, I spent more time in jail for selling weed than a woman who killed her own baby in the next town over. This wasn’t an accident she bashed it’s head in and threw it in the trash. So, apparently weed is worse than baby killers. They are also trying to make it so selling weed has no statute of limitations. America is going to hell and I’m moving to Europe.

    Peace and Good luck

    kevin | Jul 6, 2010 | Reply

  39. I’m not saying I would ever suck up to them; but I’ve had respect for cops as long as I can remember, I don’t care if you call me pretentious or a sheep. Cops aren’t above anyone and break the law just like you. Every profession has it’s corruption, why hate all teachers because some of them molest kids? Police enforce the laws, not make them. You’ll get pulled over for speeding, and blame that asshole pig. In the meantime…… “baaaahhhh”

    Lance | Jul 6, 2010 | Reply

  40. Yep, the oath police officers take mentions nothing about protecting citizens. Who do you call when someone is breaking into your house? Hmmmm probably some body of people whose job it is to protect and to serve…….
    Don’t let the actions of a few taint your view of the whole. You will find people who abuse their power in ANYTHING.

    tom jones | Jul 7, 2010 | Reply

  41. That’s quite true, Tom, but what matters is what happens after the abuse takes place. Do the good guys say “Hey, not in MY organization” and do everything they can to ferret out the bad cop, or do they automatically rally around him no matter how heinous the abuse?

    Hittman | Jul 7, 2010 | Reply

  42. What exactly are the police going to do for you if you are a victim of a crime? Nothing in most cases. They will if possible find arrest and help prosecute the offending person, but in the case of theft that rarely gets your property back. In assault cases your wounds will not heal faster. In murder cases the victim will not rise from the dead. The ONLY situation in which it is advisable to call the police is when your life or property are in eminent danger, IE someone is banging on your door shouting death threats. If there is no eminent danger, there is no reason to have the police involved at all.

    Personal story here, I called the police several years ago about a phone call where the person was claiming to be an FBI agent and was trying to extort money from me (both of which are felonies). I recorded it. I found the physical address of the phone number. I called the police. An officer knocked on my door, and I invited him inside. I began telling him about the phone call and told him I would like to file a report, but he seemed preoccupied searching my home. He wasn’t opening cabinets or anything, but I could tell he was looking for something out of place. He was bored and obviously had no desire to help me. But he sure was interested in finding something wrong with my affairs. The phone calls eventually stopped a few months later when I informed the “FBI agent” that the line was tapped and he would have to call me at an alternate number, then proceeded to give him the police station.

    Be paranoid, there is certainly no reason to feel safe, an estimated 10,000 innocent people are CONVICTED every year in the US. That’s the size of a small town. A whole community worth of innocent people, fathers brothers sisters and mothers. Most of them because they talked to the police when they had no reason to. Follow the videos advice. Never talk to the police.

    what are they going to do | Jul 9, 2010 | Reply

  43. oh dear.. I have a tiny problem with this statement: “I’ll do my best to get the right person locked up for their crimes.”

    I’ll do my best? Sometimes, 1 persons best isn’t good enough and the wrong person goes to jail for years because of one mistake!

    ohmy | Jul 11, 2010 | Reply

  44. Germ, this isn’t about crooked cops.
    The cop in number two doubtless had his moments, but appears to be a rational type of guy explaining that he and his colleagues will certainly be attempting to do their job, taking advantage of any device they know of or that presents itself to them. He is so very truthful about the situation that he is in agreement with the Professor for the most part. I expected his video to be a denial of reality but the guy kept his integrity throughout.
    My only criticism is, his statement that we should be grateful for being in the USA as cops in Italy and Spain etc. are likely to beat you up pre interview. That in its self was a device to endear himself to the audience so that his explanation appears even more credible. It simply is not true. Cops, on occasions, in most countries, work outside the law, but certainly not all cops in all other countries and if they are caught doing so, in most countries, they face being prosecuted for it, the US equally. Let’s not pretend otherwise(ask Rodney King).

    Cole | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  45. You think your cops are bad?! Come see the corruption, abuse of power and nepotism here in South Africa (or even Africa as a whole).
    Even though these situations are rife we manage to avoid getting into unnecessary trouble.
    You ALL sound like a bunch of whiny girls, grow some balls.

    CMON | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  46. CMON, if they frighten you so much perhaps you should leave SA and go to Switzerland?

    Cole | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  47. Ummm… who’s frightened?

    Sorry to say that I’ve been to Switzerland briefly and did not like the people, sorry guys.

    CMON | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  48. You must be frightened of them to talk about the so disparagingly.

    Josh | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  49. It must be too much for you CMON, the SA police and the Swiss frightened you.

    Cole | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  50. Are you a faggot CMON?

    Lyla | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  51. Allow me to repeat myself in text:

    “You ALL sound like a bunch of whiny girls, grow some balls.”

    CMON | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  52. I think he must be.

    Cole | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  53. I am a girl, I am not scared of the police.

    Lyla | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  54. Lesbians don’t count as girls

    CMON | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  55. I suppose the men are Lesbians in your quake ass world.

    Cole | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  56. CMON,are you for real?

    Josh | Jul 14, 2010 | Reply

  57. Spot on. Whatever their stated aims are, the police don’t work for you (they work for the state), and it pays to remember that.

    On top of this, the police are a coercive monopoly. This means that unlike regular providers of goods and services they have no competition, they can behave like thugs without worry about loosing customers to competing firms; through taxation we’re compelled by force to pay for their ‘services’ whether we would choose to do so voluntarily, or not.

    Market forces deter regular businesses from abusing their customers, because the police hold a coercive monopoly they are shielded from the effect of these forces. We should expect their behaviour to be the worse for it.

    bitbutter | Jul 17, 2010 | Reply

  58. Thank you for posting this, i literally NEVER post comments but this is so informative and intriguing that i just had to give props. thanks again because this information is so useful.

    al | Jul 18, 2010 | Reply

  59. “Lee, when you’re ordered to conduct a SWAT raid on a family suspected of having an illegal plant or two, will you bust down their door at 4 AM? Will you shoot their dog? What will you do if they pick up a gun to defend themselves?” -Hittman

    Good info, but what does this have to do with traffic stops and the “normal” questions regarding events in everyday life. Your stupidity is astonishing. The only reason a SWAT raid on a house is conducted is if they have a warrant to enter the house. Your precious video showed that. And “an illegal plant or two” is still ILLEGAL and is in violation of the law therefore, if you dumb enough to break the law then you’re dumb enough to suffer the consequences.

    Put yourself in the reverse situation: your a police officer entering a house and a dog lunges at you…would you shoot the dog? or let it rip your head off? Personally, if the dog tries to attack me regardless of my occupation, I’m going to defend myself and shoot it. Same goes for the person reaching for the firearm. If you’re a cop serving a warrant and someone grabs a gun you first try to get the gun out of their control before using deadly force (in a perfect world). If not, deadly force is used within the judgement of the officer (who is liable if that force was misused). And if someone pulled a gun on you, would you politely ask them to put it away? If they draw the gun, then somewhere in their mind they plan on using it. I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to sit there and take the chance.

    Bottom line, yes some cops are “good” and some are “bad” either way, it was an institution that was originally created to help protect citizens. Yes things may have gotten out of hand in certain areas, but a “police state” is a stretch.

    If you choose to do illegal things than you’re no better than the corrupt police you so strongly condemn. Why not step out from behind the protect of your computer and take a dose of reality. The system may suck in your opinion. Instead of complaining man up and run for office. As Gandhi said, “Be the change you wish to see in the world.”

    If you’re not man enough for that, then sit down and shut up.

    “stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance” – william gaddis

    Mike | Jul 20, 2010 | Reply

  60. Fuck the pigs, fuck the government. it doesn’t belong to us, they own it and use it against us. Fuck em all.

    lucky bastard | Jul 21, 2010 | Reply

  61. don’t pay taxes! your taxes goes to killing and murdering here and around the world! Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, Fuck the USA.

    lucky bastard | Jul 21, 2010 | Reply

  62. Here is how I see things. The 60,000 square miles of road in the US is like a country within a country. You need documentation to enter it for its intended purpose of getting from point A to point B. No matter what rights you think you have, you can be detained in this country at any time for reasons that exist just for the purpose of detainment. You are at the mercy of this border patrol called the Police.
    As for lawful conduct, following laws is not the religious practice for the average citizen as it is for the police who enforce the laws. Yes, for cops it might as well be a religion. Who in their fucking right mind would swear to uphold laws that they may not agree with? I’ll tell you. It’s these robot fascist cops who demand respect and reverence as the priests of their quasi-church.

    hey zeus | Jul 22, 2010 | Reply

  63. OK, some cops are cool and will let you slide a little because they have a brain. My point is that they are required to enforce the law, by law, without the influence of personal judgment. It would seem that more and more people are entering law enforcement with no judgment or standards of their own. Anyway, being a cop must fill a need that they can’t realize any other way on their own.
    Oh, and police shouldn’t get upset when the police dog suffers harm. It really doesn’t know it is a Police Dog. Stop the doggie funerals! It is ultimately their fault for directing its fate. Phonys.

    hey zeus | Jul 22, 2010 | Reply

  64. So, Mike, you’re either another thug cop or a supporter of thug cops.

    Hey, here’s an idea you might want to roll around in your empty little head for a while – how about the cops stop making SWAT style raids on citizens who are sleeping peacefully in their homes? That would solve the problem rather well, wouldn’t it? Of course, the pathetic adrenaline junkie thugs would have to get their thrills elsewhere, instead of shooting citizens and dogs, but that would be a small price to pay.

    Hittman | Jul 23, 2010 | Reply

  65. When dealing with the cops, regardless of how you feel about them, it is probably best to have as little interaction as possible.

    This is because there exists a major flaw in the thinking of many police officers. Namely they believe it is their responsibility to dole out justice. They believe that, as police officers, they have a moral authority to go beyond the law to stop criminals. This is not the case. The police exist to “serve and protect”, not to run around like Judge Dread making judgments about right and wrong.

    John | Jul 24, 2010 | Reply

  66. Indeed, it is always prudent to avoid the police whenever possible. My freshman year of college I was walking back to my dorm when a cop pulled me over and conducted a field sobriety test on me. Yes I did say “walking” home. I had just crossed the street in front of my dorm complex when a cop pulled out of a parking lot and turned on his lights. He then yelled that for me to stop where I was, though I made no attempt to evade him. He stood infront of me, shining his light directly in my eyes and asking me where I had been and how much I had had to drink. I told him I was just coming back from the movies with some friends and had nothing to drink. After checking my ID and seeing I was a minor, he conducted a field sobriety test. The officer then informed me that I had failed the test and that he could smell alcohol on my breath. He said that if I did not admit to drinking that he would have to take me back to the station and detain me for up to 24 hours. I had nothing to drink that night so I asked him if he could instead check my BOC using the breathalyzer. The officer then became upset and told me that he could write me up immediately, that my street crossing was jaywalking and that I could be charged with disturbing the peace (Mind you it was 130am and we were the only people for at least 500 feet in all directions). That if I was not honest with him I would be facing serious charges. He then took down my information and told me I would be receiving a ticket in the mail. I never got any kind of ticket. Between the “failed” sobriety test and the “disturbing the peace” charge I can only assume the cop was using these threats because he wanted to nail me for underage drinking. He relied on a judgment call and tried to force the situation to fit his own gut intuition. He tired to manipulate me to reach his desired outcome. This is why we should limit our involvement with the cops, because they often go outside or manipulate the law to do what they think is “right”.

    James | Jul 24, 2010 | Reply

  67. The trouble with people is that most of the time they are not the least bit concerned about something that doesn’t affect them directly.
    Mr. and Mrs. Smalltown-Republican, would argue that when the SWAT team broke into Hernandez’s apartment and shot his 8 year old son in the leg as he ran to his parents bedroom in fear, that it was bound to be the fault of the Hispanics for probably being illegals or thieves.
    That is until Mrs. Smalltown-Republican is savaged by a police dog when the SWAT team mistakenly raid their house at 2.00 am believing there to be crack cocaine and weapons in the house, then they have a different appreciation of the LAPD, but not until that happens to them.

    Josh | Jul 24, 2010 | Reply

  68. I am an ex-pat living in Canada, specifically 20 mins from the peace arch border. It’s not my job to criticise the laws and policing practices in the US.Having said that, it seems as if there needs to be a radical and concerted effort on behalf of law enforcement, to agree on some sort of national procedure plan.Where i am from in the UK, our police still do not carry guns as standard, simply because things have not got to the stage where they are needed. Also, our police on pain of firing, uphold the law, without favour and do not make excuses for an ignorant, arrogant petty official that trespassed on that guys property! You’ll notice the sheriff did not enter the premises, but still allowed the little girl to trespass. In my country there is legislation that says you may use reasonable force to eject someone who has no authority or good reason to be on your private premises!. I honestly could not believe that on a matter of principal, this was allowed to happen, and with the tacit agreement of an officer of the law who should have known better!Disgraceful and embarrassing behaviour!

    bill | Jul 27, 2010 | Reply

  69. Hittman I am neither a thug cop nor am I a supporter of thug cops. I hate cops who don’t have brains and do things just to force an arrest. Ideally, police are supposed to, as their motto says, “protect and serve” which as you all have pointed out that the majority of the time that’s not the case. Yes they work for the gov’t which for the most part is corrupt it’s unfortunate considering that the idea of Police was fundamentally a good idea back when it was instituted. The Gov’t has twisted and corrupted what Cops are.

    As for SWAT Raids, honestly I agree with you it’s fucked up to bust into someone’s house when their sleeping, but it’s all about the element of surprise. The less likely a suspect is to be ready for and able to react to a raid the better. So I can understand why the police do it even though I don’t necessarily agree with them.

    So I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on some things Hittman.

    Mike | Jul 27, 2010 | Reply

  70. U.S is a real fucked up country,,, I cant believe this stories ,,,I live in Norway, thank good,,,I have bean taken in for drunken driving,,, 0.98 ,,my buddy who was living with me had a pot plant and I confessed watering it not knowing what it was,and driving without licens and a second driving with alcohol and speedeing twice (lost licens for 2 years) and i have never done a day in prison,,,, just tickets and no lisens for some years

    I will newer do this things again but I realised if I lived in usa I would do serious jail time,,,, all the police her treated me with respect and not a bad word was spoken from anyone and they don`t use guns at a daily basis ,,, my friend who was too fucked up in the head and I was scared of him and call the police, they come home to me and drove him home,,,,,, police and problem in usa seams so unreal,,,, fucked up it is,,,,

    roger | Jul 29, 2010 | Reply

  71. Choose a background color/font size a human can read. You gave me a headache.

    Anonymous | Aug 1, 2010 | Reply

  72. Nevermind. It was my browser.

    Anonymous | Aug 1, 2010 | Reply

  73. Once in a while some browsers don’t either ignore the CSS or render it incorrectly. That makes the page unreadable, but a refresh usually solves the problem.

    Hittman | Aug 1, 2010 | Reply

  74. Um, This is totally stupid! YES THERE ARE BAD COPS… but they get caught and are fired, there are many instances out there of this. Recently there has been more cops being killed by citizens, so you can understand why cops are being more carefull with subjects, they don’t want to loose another brother/sister. And you guys are talking about huge cities, what about small counties and towns? Places where all we have are traffic stops for speeding and nice people. I have done ride alongs with my local police, everyone we passed waved at us, they like us and know we are out there protecting them. We have taken people into custody only because we had probable cause. All the stuff we got for evidence was apperant, no need for searching, although searching is required. And a hint, if you are in a car and they are going to tow it, they now inventory your car. They find something illegal, they can charge you, since they were doing a service to you by making sure everything was still there when you went to pick it up. so shut up about cops. There are very few bad cops, we do what we are trained. You treat us like jerks, etc, we will treat you the SAME WAY! Treat the cop like how you would want to be treated. And sometimes the cops have a jerk they dealt with before you and then pull you over and are still in a bad mood. If you don’t agree go to court and fight it out. don’t blame the cops, 99.9% of them are doing what they are trained to do!

    sba | Aug 2, 2010 | Reply

  75. The second video, the one with the policeman… started with a very FALSE statement: neither in Spain nor in Italy do interrogations start with physical abuse… in fact, there is more abuse in the USA than in ANY country in Europe. So please, check your facts officer… it’s 2010 and human rights are very well respected, at least in Europe.

    Lucía | Aug 3, 2010 | Reply

  76. @sba
    “YES THERE ARE BAD COPS… but they get caught and are fired, ”
    Don’t try and pass off your opinion as fact. Assuming this is true (which it’s not), the question then becomes how long after that cop turns bad is he fired, which can be years. What good is that? You ever hear of Frank Serpico, the rogue NYC detective, rogue because he was honest and wouldn’t accept pay-offs from citizens?

    “There are very few bad cops”
    There are very few bad citizens. I can play this game too.

    Quit whining about your job.

    Snake Piss | Aug 4, 2010 | Reply

  77. Sorry sba, I agree with Snake Piss. In our community it is called “proactive policing”. I call it harassment. Things are not so bad that the laws have to be enforced so diligently. Law enforcement has turned into law exploitation$$$$ The world would not go to hell with less policing. If I need a cop I will call one. That is the job they agreed to be paid for. They are like sharks in a limitless sea. There is limitless prey that only adds to the cops statistical value. Their impact on crime (whatever laws are in effect at the moment) is astronomically overrated. They know it too. One of their main motivations to arrest people is to be rewarded cushy jobs like sitting near a road construction site all day.

    hey zeus | Aug 5, 2010 | Reply

  78. No more true than in South Africa where the police have been taken over by ‘transformation’ – in other words..total africanisation. These politically appointed ‘policemen’ don’t have a clue about their limits.

    Also distrust of the police. And here we don’t have an easily understood constituion. The average citizen doesn’t understand what the police can and can’t do.

    SAD
    Tyrone

    tyrone | Aug 7, 2010 | Reply

  79. I agree wholeheartedly!! If you are a good cop, separate yourself from the bad ones and stop this horrible Blue Wall!

    Vonda | Aug 16, 2010 | Reply

  80. The cops hate anybody who doesn’t look like them. I worked at what used to be called National Airport in Alexandria, Virginia in the 90′s in their police department. I’m not timid little pretender, but those boys were some scarey bastards. Most of them — I’m not exaggerating — *most* of them swaggered as if they had a set too big for their pants and about a third of them “played” with their firearms in the hallways. By playing I mean they would unholster their weapons and toss them at each other. Unbelievable. I couldn’t wait to get the hell out of there (I was an admin temp). You may *think* you’re getting professionals but what you’re mostly getting are guys who aren’t college material, from lower class backgrounds who really HATE Blacks, upper class whites, and practically ANYbody who doesn’t think like, look like, or want to think and look like them. Frightening.

    jeandarc | Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

  81. Are you stupid AND naive? Shut your pie hole. You know NOTHING. The police are there to TAKE YOUR MONEY. They don’t care if you are innocent or guilty. All that matters is that you are in a position of scrutiny by the authorities. Do you even know how much money it costs to prove you are innocent of a crime? Do you really think that you are innocent until proven guilty? Quit watching Law And Order.

    That is NOT how it works. HERE’S how it works. You are charged with a crime. You go to jail until you are arraigned. You must then post bail through a bonding company. You hire an attorney or request one be appointed for you. You risk a LOT if you get a Public Defender. They don’t care at all if they win or lose. They go to work every day and frankly, they resent you for burdening them with yet another case. They are friends with the DA and THAT comes before you and your freedom. So then the DA gets you into court time and time again by postponements. They HAVE to be in court every day as well while YOU have to take off from work. Those days add up. You risk losing your job for too many days off and they know it. This is a war of attrition. Eventually they wear you down and it becomes clear to you that there IS NO JUSTICE in America’s courts. You plead to a lessor charge and pay the fines and fees and go to anger management or whatever other classes they can get you to pay for.

    If you choose a jury trial, you can bet that the cop is going to lie and the DA will make things up or suppress exonerating evidence. He needs a conviction for his score card. You are nothing more than a number and he doesn’t give a rat’s ass if you’re innocent or guilty.

    Congratulations. You now have a record.

    William | Aug 22, 2010 | Reply

  82. What we call a justice system is in reality just another way for the government to take our money. I accidentally ran a red light last year. I got a ticket that cost over three hundred dollars. That’s a week’s pay for a lot of people in the states, and enough money to feed a village in a third world country for quite a while. Noone was harmed, nothing bad happened, except that I essentially was robbed of a ton of money. Cops are modern-day highwaymen. They are most definitely above the law. In any situation where it’s the defendant’s word against the cop’s, who do you think the judge favors? The one that’s earning(stealing) the money that pays his salary, that’s who.

    Bullets McGee | Aug 28, 2010 | Reply

  83. Nothing to fear? Did you watch the video?
    Police harrass people, power trip and generally make themselves into the largest assholes imaginable. My friend got let go with a “warning” when she got pulled over. What did she get pulled over for? Her license plate was slightly crooked.

    D | Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

  84. corpus delecti negates all drug laws. nobody stops to think that is against the constitution for a cop to even pull you over. Even with a kilo of heroin sitting on the front seat of your car you should make the cop go get a warrant. This is after all the fourth amendment to the constitution. Check your state constitutions. CO’s states all “Probable cause” must be reduced to writing. That means a warrant.

    Topherb | Aug 31, 2010 | Reply

  85. TX DPS Trooper – DAVID RIGGS – Wise County – Decatur (Decatur)

    How many of you have had the misfortune to have encountered Trooper David Riggs in his official capacity? Meaning – an illegal traffic stop, illegal search and seizure, violation of your civil rights, solicitation of sex-drugs-or money, etc. ?

    If so, report your event to the Texas DPS Inspector General’s Office.

    Unprofessional behavior and unlawful practices will not be tolerated?

    T. Smith | Sep 1, 2010 | Reply

  86. Cops are here to create revenue…duh!! That’s it! When cops sit outside bars waiting for people to drive or WALK home drunk they are creating revenue. When they hide with their lights off on the side of the freeway they are creating revenue.
    If you think cops only pull people over or harass people if their breaking the law then you are just ignorant.

    Irishvixen | Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

  87. Topherb, you’re talking like the constitution means something. It doesn’t. It’s merely a quaint historical document the cops and courts routinely ignore.

    Irishvixen, this summer I was given a ticket for driving without a seat belt, along a short road between two parking lots. The fine was $25, with an $85 surcharge! If it had anything to do with safety a $20 fine would have taught me my lesson.

    The next day I started to cut behind the same strip mall and saw it was infested with troopers, pulling everyone over. They had to know that they were on private property and the tickets would be tossed out if anyone contested them, but they didn’t care. They were making their quota and most people would just pay the ticket without taking the time to fight it.

    Scumbags.

    Hittman | Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

  88. I’ve worked overnights at a gas station that is also a cop hangout. We’re across the street from the bar and a mile away from the beach, not to mention along a major highway just outside the city. I get drunkies all the time.

    Do you have any idea how many times I’ve needed them to get rid of a guy who was hitting on/threatening me? My boss schedules people by themselves on overnights even though it’s against company policy…not to mention that the silent alarms we wear on our belts DON’T WORK. He doesn’t give two shits about our safety. My guys/girls in blue do.

    Penny | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  89. @Penny
    Firstly, I can understand you calling the cops if someone is threatening you, but for hitting on you. Isn’t that a normal social function? How many guys have you had thrown in jail at the mercy of a police beating for saying you have nice eyes or asking you for a date?

    Your Guys/Girls in blue, as you so endearingly call them, would have no compunction bearing down on your throat with a nightstick for jaywalking whenever they felt like it. There are few cops in this world that can be considered good guys, for the most part they are working class, unsophisticated, meglomaniac psychopaths that abuse their powers of arrest and get high the drama and the control that it gives them.
    The security forces in the US and UK, and probably other countries, veiw the police for what they are, uniformed thugs with no integrity, they seldom share information with them willingly. I would much rather be bust by the CIA or MI5 than a cop, at least you know they won’t steal your watch.

    Rincewind | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  90. @penny

    The cops SHOULD be there when you call them. That is their job. The problem is that they are, in their words, proactive. Proactive=harassment=generating revenue.
    I’ll ask this question again. What kind of person does it take to be a cop? As Rincewind knows the typical cop has no mind of his/her own and excuse their actions (as if they ever doubted themselves) on political will. They are robots. Thugs. The “cops as part of the community” propaganda makes me sick. I don’t feel appreciative when they cruise past my daughters school while I’m waiting to pick her up. What are they looking for? When is the last time a crime occurred in a crowd of families? Police presence is propaganda. As soon as you are fined or arrested for anything, you are no longer a part of the “community”. As if we know these assholes. Cops, for the most part, are not normal people. They embrace their rank above us. As if most people can’t be trusted to arm themselves and be responsible for our actions. THEY ARE PEOPLE JUST LIKE US! Don’t tell them that, they have authority.

    hey zeus | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  91. There is also a bizarre happening in society today. It’s cop worship. I guess it started with that COPS show years ago and wishing nothing bad happened ever again to innocent children. In my weekly home paper not a week goes by without 2 or 3 articles about the police. From neo-nazi cop camps for kids to how the public likes the new cop car paint job. I’m just waiting for the cop movie and restaurant reviews. It’s like Beatlemania. People are in love with cops and the idea that “daddy” is always looking out for them. Are things really that bad??

    hey zeus | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  92. Let me put it this is way. Every time I see a front page story about a cop who was killed in the line of duty, I want to see equal time to somebody who died for their religion.

    hey zeus | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  93. Or their peaceful beliefs, if only they were universal. A dead cop is supposed to be universally negative, no matter what laws are in effect. A dead police dog? Forget about it. The immature unite and spend more money on that dogs grave than on a dying veteran.

    hey zeus | Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

  94. anyone else think the cop in the video with the girl at the house was a stoner in real life? just watch that part where he sniffs the bong and says “smells fresh”. subliminal messages man.

    tom | Sep 9, 2010 | Reply

  95. @ hey zeus
    “I would much rather be bust by the CIA or MI5 than a cop, at least you know they won’t steal your watch.”
    Unfortunately for you neither the CIA nor MI5 will be arresting you anytime soon. It is illegal for the CIA to operate inside the united states and MI5 have no pwers to arrest anyone. MI5 operatives are civillians and any arrests made have to be made by the police, usually Special Branch.

    George Jefferies | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  96. @George Jefferies
    Of MI5, not true, have you ever heard of “Citizens Arrest”? MI5 under new laws from 2008 can do what they need to do.

    Rincewind | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  97. As I understand it the law for a Citezen’s Arrest requires the arrester to actually witness someone carry out a crime first hand. Which new laws from 2008? I’m having trouble finding anything at http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk that gives officers of the security service any power to arrest people.

    George Jefferies | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  98. For all you cop worshippers….who is watching over the people with power to make sure they’re not abusing it? I mean if things get real bad we obviously couldn’t count on you because you’re shit scared of the police and would rather take a load of their spunk in your mouth instead of rise against.

    You make me sick.

    Mumia | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  99. You are obviously not very thorough in your research are you? Stop imagining that all you need to know is freely available to pigeon fanciers or people that read the Daily Sport, think outside of the envelope Georgie boy.

    Rincewind | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  100. Yes Rinsewind, I thought the same when I read Jefferies post. As if the man on the stret would be party to the reality of state security. Jefferies is probably a liberal do-gooder anyway.

    Hellbat | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  101. So, in other words: “no, I don’t know the legislation, so it can’t be publicly available and must be a state secret”. Plus a little ad hominem.

    George Jefferies | Sep 12, 2010 | Reply

  102. @Georgie baby. Au contraire. The facts exist regardles of your input and remain as such, whether you have attempted successfully or unsuccessfully to source them, or not. You are not being pilloried to discredit your opinion.
    BTW, it is “an” Ad hominem, it being a noun. As in “it is a travesty”. You can’t have “a little travesty”, well you can say it, but it is wrong. Common mistake.
    Nothing personal.

    Rincewind | Sep 13, 2010 | Reply

  103. I’m not saying the laws don’t exist, I was merely asking if anyone knew the name(s) of these law(s) that give offices of the Secuity Service the power to arrest people above and beyond what powers they have as civillians. “Jefferies is probably a liberal do-gooder anyway” seems a little like ridicule. Maybe I should have grouped my responses by intended recipient, rather than addressing @Rincewind and @Hellbat collectively.
    B.T.W. Rincewind, although you’re probably right about my grammar, I’ve never been very good at it and I personally don’t really think that the internet requires very stringent grammatical or spelling correctness.

    George Jefferies | Sep 13, 2010 | Reply

  104. I have grown up around police officers my whole life. My father was a police officer along with most of his friends and my uncles. When you see things on television, you are seeing the rare .01% of things going wrong. Even then, most of the time the people who are “beat defenselessly” are actually antagonizing the police officers. Out of all the police officers I have known (some of whom had been on the force for at least 20 years before retiring) none of them had a single problem with lawsuits or anything. You don’t hear about the hundreds of good things that cops do or the thousands of things that go right. Instead, you only hear about the occasional things that go wrong.
    What most people also don’t understand about the shootings is as a police officer, it is your life on the line. If someone even looks like they are going to get a weapon, you have to react and you can have less than a half second to make a decision. In that short period of time you have to determine if they have a weapon, are going to use the weapon on your, or are going to hurt others around you.
    All in all, cops are a good thing. They keep our society in check and, although there is the occasional fruit loop, a majority of them are really good people.

    Mikey | Sep 13, 2010 | Reply

  105. “You don’t hear about the hundreds of good things that cops do or the thousands of things that go right. Instead, you only hear about the occasional things that go wrong.” -Mikey

    If it was so ‘occasional’ then yes, I would probably trust the police more than I do. But where I live the cops are nothing up scum. Example, I was driving down the street with my, at the time, 2 month old. The speed limit was 65 I was doing 70 in the slow lane. People were flying by me. I was content with my speed. A few moments later I was pulled over by a cop who drew his gun. He started screaming at me to get out of the car. I did, and then I was wrestled to the ground, I asked what was happening. He said that my car had been reported stolen and I could have done a better job to hide the fact that I stole this car by doing the speed limit. When I told him this was my car and to check the registration he refused. FIVE more cop cars showed up, each with two officers in the car. Lucky for me ONE of them decided to look at my drivers license and registration. I was let go but the cop who pulled me over made me feel like a piece of shit for ‘being the wrong person and car.’

    Cops are bullies. They are washed up high school jocks looking to still get their kicks off by bullying others. I will never trust or respect 99% of police. “Protect and serve” my ass. Did I get an apology? No. When I went to file a complaint against the fucker who wrestled me to the ground do you know what I was told? That I “probably deserved it.” I will never help with anything that involves the police. Yes 1 out of 10 cops are good. But I will never put my trust in them in hopes that I will get the one that is still there to protect and serve.

    Jen B. | Sep 24, 2010 | Reply

  106. This is completely ridiculous. This web sit contributes to our society and its issues with our police officers who are for the most part loyal people of our communities that are there to HELP US! Anyone who agrees with this web page needs to find a college or jc in your nearest area and take some criminal justice classes. I can guarantee that you will change your opinion.

    Rihanna | Sep 25, 2010 | Reply

  107. Rihanna, got to Youtube and search “police brutality.” Try to get through some of the videos (they are difficult to watch.) Follow up on them and see how many officers received any punishment for their brutality. (Paid vactions labled as “suspensions” don’t count.)

    Then Google Puppycide.

    Mikey, I think you’re perception of the cops is based on what most of them were twenty years ago. I liked them back then too. But things have changed, and they’ve become an occupying force that is an active danger to our citizens. Either that, or they have *always* been thugs and it’s only recently that we’ve had the technology to bring that to light.

    Hittman | Sep 26, 2010 | Reply

  108. I think I mentioned police dogs earlier in this post. They are animals that just do what they’re told. It’s sad to say that most cops today seem to be animals that just do what they’re told, and then some. They SHOULD be there to help us but it depends on what is meant by “us”. They represent the government and the law and will use anything we say against us. I don’t consider them a part of my “community’. Once they label you a criminal you are subject to criminal justice, as in justice that is criminal. They are grunts for the government that accepted the conditions of their job for money and we should stop elevating them to saintly status. Everybody that has a job contributes to society. Some dangerous jobs don’t pay very well. Where are all the parades for the people who died in THEIR chosen line of duty? Oh, they don’t represent the authority that we are taught to fear and worship.

    hey zeus | Sep 26, 2010 | Reply

  109. Hittman, I have a bachelor of arts in criminal justice and even though I am not a police officer I do work in the field. If you really want to bring up police brutality, you should also consider that those cases are one in a million. I agree that there are some bad cops out there but that does not mean for one second that our police are bad. They do so many great things that go unnoticed and it is people like you that affect how well they can do their job. Keep thinking the way you do and one day something bad will happen and the police won’t be there to help you because those “thugs” you speak about won’t give a crap about what you want because you honestly don’t deserve their help.

    Rihanna | Sep 27, 2010 | Reply

  110. Rhianna. You say the police do “so many great things”? They are supposed to, they are paid to, they are trained to, it is their extra curricular activities that worry me.
    They are not expected to use excessive force, falsify evidence and brutalize prisoners. These are definitely amongst their less savoury qualities. It is not one in a million occurrence and I frankly don’t know why you say it is?
    Also, if you have a degree in Criminal justice, a heavily text based subject, why is your diction and construction like a 14 year old?

    Rincewind | Sep 27, 2010 | Reply

  111. These comments are ridiculous.
    One, we do not live in a police state. You’re all idiots if you believe that.
    Two, not all cops are bad cops. There’s a lot of corruption in larger police departments, and there are lot of jerks who are cops. That does not mean all cops are jerks and corrupted. It goes for any profession.
    Three, for the people who brought active military into the discussion, have a little bit of respect. My husband is a Purple Heart veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, and I have never met a more caring, loving, respectable man in my whole life. He’s also a police officer. You can’t lump everybody into one tidy little package.
    But yes, the cops can search you whenever they want. With so many issues when drugs and gangs, it’s necessary that they have that right. Tough luck, that’s just the way the world is.

    E | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  112. Rincewind, you are a jerk. There is no need to go insulting people when we are all trying to have a debate about POLICE, not how I write. You say that the police are paid to do their job? That doesn’t make it an easy job and many people are not strong enough to do it. The pressures that our police deal with is something that most people do not understand. You are obviously one of these people.

    Rihanna | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  113. Rihanna, I really don’t want the police to “help” me. Because all too often, they provide this kind of help:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybwcp4r

    This guy called for help, and the shot him in the back. Six times.

    Or this case: http://tinyurl.com/25pz7r2 where the cops weren’t even called, but still showed up and tazed an elderly man who had fallen down the stairs because they didn’t get up when they ordered him to.

    Bad cops are not one in a million. They are, at best, one in ten. Or two in ten. Or five in ten. It all depends on where you live. But if the cops won’t come and “help” me, I’ll be much safer.

    E, there’s a little thing called the Fourth Amendment. It is more important than a cops desire to paw through your stuff.

    The War on Some Drugs, which you referred to, is the source of many of these problems. It’s the reason the police are militarized, and the excuse so many of them use for thuggish behavior. If we ever get rid of it cops can go back to doing what they are supposed to do – catch bad guys.

    Dave Hitt | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  114. Here’s another compilation of brutality stories:

    http://www.copblock.org/972/abusing-senior-citizens/

    Dave Hitt | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  115. Rihanna, I have to intervene here. Many people (most) are not strong enough, and/or don’t have the rights to do what cops have a free reign to do. People are not strong enough (to defend their rights) because they have been taught that it isn’t their job to worry about themselves. But that’s only half of it. Let me share my life a little. I am 43 yrs. old. I had responsibility at 15 when my dad died. I had my own family at 22. Now my life is hell because of divorce court (government meddling in personal decisions and responsibility [not mine] and two DUI’s that are a cash cow for the law. Both DUI’s were not because of my driving but because of technical offenses that I’ve personally seen our own district justice commit. Cops are aggressive for no reason. If lawlessness was a real problem the cops wouldn’t have to be “proactive” to find it. Everybody has broken the law at some point in their lives. You’re lucky enough to be married to a cop. I’ll close with a quote by Immanual Kant. “In law a man is guilty when he violates the rights of another. In ethics he is guilty if he only thinks of doing so.”

    P.S. Never mind all the crazy shit I did when I was young. NOW, all of a sudden, I’m a criminal and a danger to society. All in the past three years of minding my own business. Go figure.

    P.S.S. Police state? We aren’t far from it. It is conditioning and “education” that makes people ignorant of it.

    hey zeus | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  116. Let me clarify something. My police record started at 41. I consider myself more responsible than most people in my financial bracket (that’s how people are judged, isn’t it?). I’ve noticed something about the divorce court building. It is the addition of metal detectors at the entrance. This is my question. Is society going crazy or are they doing something in that building that normal people might fight against unconventionally? I can only hope that the people who are cops are ignorant of their role in this f-ed up country.

    hey zeus | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  117. @Rihanna, again. The cops are NEVER there when they are needed. That is just the fact. They are almost always there AFTER the fact. You, and others, seem to have this fantasy of authority being omnipresent and benevolent. As a result of the fantasy you were sold, the police are trying to be omnipresent to the point of being malevolent. This is simple shit. Wake the fuck up. (You must have a library somewhere. Read something different from your directive influence, please.)

    hey zeus | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  118. I wrongly implied that Rihanna was married to a cop. It is “E” who is. Rihanna, if I were a cop, would you marry me?

    hey zeus | Sep 28, 2010 | Reply

  119. @Rhianna.
    Thanks for the clarification. It was only an assumption of mine that you were suitably eloquent enough to call me a jerk, whilst completely missing the point of my question regarding your “Alleged” qualification to be entering this debate as an authority.
    I was actually hoping you would lock horns with me with a “Duh!”, or a “Whatever!”, more’s the pity.
    In line with the recent and comments by DH, it is a known fact that the powers dealt by the unsophisticated, red neck bully boys that pollute police forces all over the world, mean that even the most respectable, law abiding citizens are well placed to be victim of police brutality, even if they intend to never break a law. If you are tazered for jaywalking it hurts just the same as being tazered for assault, only you just won’t have deserved it.
    I am British living in the USA, I find the American police extremely intimidating, at least if a British bobby cuffs or sprays you, you likely won’t die from a random gunshot. Other than that, I feel little better about being detained by either.
    What I do know, is that all the decent cops I have met are older cops of no rank who have grown up through experience, or the more intellectual ones who are in the intelligence or investigation department. Intelligence being the keyword in all of this. Dumbass cops have no other way of making their mark on the world other than by physical assertion. Doesn’t impress me.

    Rincewind | Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

  120. Very interesting I have probably be innocent and wound up being guilty just because I could not keep my mouth shut I enjoyed this a lot thank you

    Going Green | Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

  121. Actually all you hear about is the police bringing down those dastardly %90 black criminals. Have you never watched cops, worlds most dangerous police chases or anything on TruTV, that is all we hear about. Police are thugs with badges, nothing more, and only the lazy or weak wish to hand their own or their family’s personal security over to a man that barely graduated high school, yet is trusted with a gun. Even when the cops do something totally egregious dickheads pop up to remind us that “that 12 year old dog was dangerous, and deserved to be shot” or “that 70 year old woman resisted arrest, and deserved to be tasered”. They are given the power to kill and ruin lives, yet their ability to discern “protecting and serving” from “harassing and extorting” seems to be utterly lacking.

    Dr. Mantis Tobagan | Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

  122. Actually, that would be the other way around. You are the fucking moron and should be capped in the head. The information is absolutely correct. Why incriminate yourself douche. And yes, they are looking to incriminate you and are hoping you are the criminal.

    Ms. Genius | Oct 11, 2010 | Reply

  123. I’ve seen the first two videos before, but the third was new to me. While it reminded me of those lame videos from back in health class, the video did a good job of demonstrating what should be done in common situations to protect one’s rights.

    I know it’s the internet, so nobody really gives a fuck about what other people actually say unless it supports their own post (been on far too many forums with far too many topics), but what gets me about police is something that can be seen in third video. While they are doing things for the “general good,” they almost want you to wave your rights. I don’t know if this so that it’s easier for them or what, but it’s quite concerning. For people who’s job it is to uphold that law, which includes the constitution in my mind, they tend to do a pretty good job of not respecting some of your rights until you actually show that you know them. This may stem from a need to “get the bad guys” no matter what, but it upsets me quite a bit.

    I’ve had several encounters with the police (busted parties, speeding, busted headlights, etc.) and while I’ve walked away with some large speeding tickets, I’ve always had pretty good interactions with the police. I’ve never had an officer try to get super tough or anything, they simple get my information and give me a ticket or let me go on my way. Mostly, I’ve found cops just want to keep things safe (though the whole speeding ticket quota is kind of BS). But there are cops who aren’t so nice. My brother had a run in with some in Alabama and had a chipped tooth and was put in the hospital over night with a breathing tube as a result. He was drunk and most likely deserved to be detained (he’s a dumbass at times), but when the cops put you in the hospital and then don’t actually have anything on you to be able to press charges… bad news.

    There are “good cops” and “bad cops” but the majority are quite upstanding. Like everything else, the few bad apples give the rest a bad rap.

    Anyway, the origonal post was quite a good one (some of the comments thought may have been posted by some dumb, ignorant fucktards… it is the internet after all I guess). I’ll definitely make a point to remember what was covered in the videos.

    meh | Oct 13, 2010 | Reply

  124. You miss the point of EVERYTHING said here. Did you not even hear the cop? You know what? You go ahead and say anything and everything you want to a cop.

    Laura | Oct 19, 2010 | Reply

  125. I tried to make it through all the comments, but I gave up after this one:

    >>>I’m a criminal justice major and in no way am I doing it in order to arrest people. Sure, it’s to get people who are doing things ILLEGAL locked up…<<<

    Translation: "I don't want to arrest people. I just want to ARREST people!"

    Of course, I am biased against the poster. The open secret at the college at which I work is that our CJ students are the biggest idiots on campus. Lowest average GPA by major, Short Man Syndrome galore, horrific lack of critical thinking skills, etc. Also, did you know that CJ majors rank almost dead last on LSAT scores, while Poli Sci, History, and Philosophy majors do best? There's a reason for that — the people paid to enforce the law are usually the ones who understand it the least.

    Either way, congrats to all who missed the point. He's not saying all police are bad people; he's saying you're not legally bound to talk to them, and it doesn't help when you do. But it's good to see so many stereotypically reactionary CJ kids here showing off those legendary reading skills…

    Ashley | Oct 24, 2010 | Reply

  126. If only that were true. I know first hand you can be innocent and still found guilty

    Mimi | Nov 11, 2010 | Reply

  127. Ashley: Some places reject applicants to the police force if their IQ was too high. They’ve gone so far as to fight in court for the right to limit their force to mouth breathers, and won.

    http://tinyurl.com/22mhr52

    Dave Hitt | Nov 12, 2010 | Reply

  128. I thought of an interesting parallel. The police today are almost exactly like historically accurate knights in service to their lords to control the masses. I am willing to bet that there is not ONE cop in this country who knows history well enough to understand this.

    hey zeus | Nov 13, 2010 | Reply

  129. It makes me laugh when people get pissed about cops being called out for being the piece of shit, corrupt ass holes that they are. Fuck you cops. People kiss your ass when you are face to face with them, but as soon as you turn around, we call you every name in the book. Fuck you pigs.

    Jason | Nov 14, 2010 | Reply

  130. Jason, I feel your pain. Your valid attitude is the reason for so much pro-police propaganda in the media. Even police dogs are elevated to martyr status.

    hey zeus | Nov 14, 2010 | Reply

  131. There are police officers and there are cops. Police officers are individuals who joined law enforcement so that they can give back to the community and SERVE. That’s the key word: serve. Cops, on the other hand, are individuals with generally little to no people skills and/or other talents who see themselves not as servants, but as physical embodiment of the law. That’s a very dangerous line of thought.

    I’ve move around a lot over the years, and I have had more than a few interactions with police under a variety of different circumstances. When I lived in Virginia, I was driving to a poker game one night when an officer ran me off the road as I was in the middle making a left hand turn onto a street. Apparently, he couldn’t wait that extra fifteen seconds to pass me, so he had to take the initiative as I turned. I found out later he was the cousin of one of the guys at the poker game.

    When I was in Chicago, I was stopped at 1:30 in the morning by two officers because I was walking around trying to find a train station. I was interrogated because I was the only white person (outside of them, of course) in the area, and that my explanation of “I’ve only lived here three months so I don’t know where I’m going” obviously meant I was probably buying drugs. They searched me and ended up giving me a ride to the train station (which was in the opposite direction I was walking, of course), and I was able to witness the cops break no less than four traffic laws before parking ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET in front of the train station, told me not to go west, and then sped off.
    It all depends on the context and the location of where you encounter police. Like, it was nice of them to give me a ride, but I was treated like a criminal and was not spoken to the entire time I rode in the back of the cruiser (only time I’ve had to ride in one those!)

    I have met a lot of nice police officers who actually seem concerned with being servants to the community, but I also get to see the dickbags who view everyone as a piece of shit. I now work in Tampa, on the edge of town between the college kids and the ghetto, and I have never seen so many instances of police aggression in my life. I went to get lunch one day, and I witnessed twelve cops dressed in black ski masks, black armor and black fatigues, joking around with one another with shotguns and M16s after a successful raid, which netted one large man in a t-shirt and boxers who had obviously been sleeping. When I returned with my food, as I approached the door, one of the officers (still wearing the ski mask and carrying the M16) appeared from around the corner on his cell phone, calling his buddy. His friend pulled up in his cruiser and proceeded to shoot the shit with one another for twenty minutes right in front of my store, which is actually one of the top ten things that keep people from coming in to make a purchase.

    Another hilarious cop story was when over the course of a month, six Metro PCS stores were robbed at gunpoint, and the cops didn’t start investigating the robberies until one of the Metro managers followed the thieves WITH A GUN and traded fire with them over several streets before they escaped. About a week later, a cop thought he saw one of the suspects (one 18 year-old African American male, of course) go into a house and called for back up. For six hours, they had about a half mile completely blocked off with cruisers, police choppers and that tank they now use to bust through doors. After yelling warnings for several hours, they finally tear-gassed the home and broke in. They found the place to be empty. Over two hundred people had gathered around by this point of the evening (since it, you know, killed traffic patterns all night and the cops were making such a big deal about it), and we all got a good laugh about it when the cops started leaving with no arrest made.

    Police officers are becoming few and far between, and like one of the earlier posts I read, they generally tend to be closer to retirement age than one of the young guys. Which means when they retire in ten years, we’ll have nothing but cops who wish for nothing more than your complete and unquestioned obedience. Now there are obviously good officers out there, but they aren’t the ones that make the news for their deeds.

    I have followed the advice given in the videos over the last year, and it’s true: less is more when speaking to the police. I just find it to be incredibly sad that I have to look at it that way. We may be better off than other countries; I lived in Brazil for several years as a child and I’m still haunted by some of the things I learned down there. But we also have to remember that tomorrow is going to be nothing like yesterday, and if we accept this type of treatment “for our safety” today, then we accept tyranny and injustice as law. As Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither.”

    Thank you, again, for the videos. They have been incredibly helpful.

    Z | Dec 3, 2010 | Reply

  132. Don’t you just love the saying: You know what happens when you assume? You make an ass out of u and me. And buddy, doc, you just made a pretty fine ass out of yourself. Showing that not only are you ignorant, but also racist as well. Your comments disgust me.

    Keith | Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

  133. Simply, your an idiot to think cops just beat people. Learn the laws.

    steph | Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

  134. Ahem. When calling someone an idiot, it’s a good idea to spell the insult right. If you write “your” when you mean “you’re” someone just might wonder which one is the idiot.

    And if you don’t think cops just beat people, you need some smartenizing. I’d suggest you visit http://www.copblock.org/ and read a few months worth of posts. Then go to YouTube and search on “police brutality.”

    Hittman | Dec 20, 2010 | Reply

  135. It is common knowledge that if you want to buy, deal, sell, grow or manufacturer drugs in Wise County, Texas; You have to buy off the local law enforcement.

    John Thomas | Dec 29, 2010 | Reply

  136. Excellent vids. I think people in the comments section here need to calm down and remember that these vids aren’t anti-police, they’re anti-incrimination. Spot the difference.

    That being said, I’ve known a handful of officers over my lifetime. Those that I’ve known personally are great people. Those I’ve gone to school with are typically okay people.

    But when they are ‘cops’ they’re…. they’re something else. You may not like it, but the truth is that they’re paid to look for ways to screw you over. Whether or not you’re guilty, getting you into the system and getting you processed makes money. And it’s a power trip, being put a position of authority – if you want to freak out a little, look up the Stanford Prison experiment and see what having authority does to people.

    One one hand, I’ve had cops let me slide with traffic warnings because a light was flickering. On the other, I had a family member break into my house with a loaded gun, threaten to kill a housemate with said gun, then take off once he realized the cops were coming. I had to drive to the police station myself in order to get their attention (it was after midnight and the cops that came by to take a statement couldn’t have been less interested since he was already gone).

    I was told that because he didn’t actually shoot anybody and that I had no evidence (other than the testimony of three other sober but very frightened people) that no crime had been committed and that I should go home.

    The end statement came down to basically to call back once there was a blood.

    I’ve had a hard time respecting and trusting police figures to protect me ever since <:/

    BrownCat | Jan 14, 2011 | Reply

  137. my cousin is a cop he’s a cool guy but the stories he tells about screwing people over just makes me sick. we are talking about our RIGHTS here the AMENDMENTS we are all protected under in this country. i see people are saying how cops are allowed to search whenever they want basically do whatever there fucking heart desires go’s to show how they are wiping there ass with the constitution of the united states of america

    Joey | Jan 16, 2011 | Reply

  138. Our neighborhood cops come to every one of our neighborhood association meetings and helped us get the low lifes out. We went from a 30% crime rate to less than 10%. We see them as valuable partners and very human. People who hate cops probably are still in adolescence.

    Rob | Jan 19, 2011 | Reply

  139. Rob, are you lauding the police for doing what they are paid to do? What else should they be doing? It is not that that is in question. I imagine they do catch rapists and murderers etc. but they also beat the crap out of suspects based on their race or backgrounds and everything else we have talked about.
    Don’t kid yourself that they wouldn’t turn on you whenever they feel like it.
    BTW, my dad was a cop, so I know first hand, and I am 51 yo.

    Tamber | Jan 20, 2011 | Reply

  140. Mr. Smith is absolutely correct about Officer Riggs and Wise county, Texas. A scary place where the U.S.Constitution does not apply. Their District Judge was chosen as one of the dumbest judge’s in america.

    gale green | Jan 26, 2011 | Reply

  141. The police are the enemy of the citizenry. They … are … our … enemy. This is 30 years of Prosecution and Defense work talking. Do not forget it. They are NOT your friends. They are NOT there to help.

    Maat | Jan 26, 2011 | Reply

  142. Remember, most of the problems with cops derive from either the silly but dangerous “drug war” or “revenue enhancement” schemes that politicians dreamed up to make a down payment on some vote buying. If we were all watching our politicians better most of the problems would go away.

    Halvey Lewis | Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

  143. True, but we could have the same effect if the majority of cops would refuse to enforce laws that were stupid, dangerous or unconstitutional. Very very few of them have the balls to do that.

    Hittman | Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

  144. Hittman, I agree. The police are people like us. The problem is that they are NOT like us in the sense that they have in effect sold their souls because they have no personal goals of their own. That is why they chose their “profession.” They are not good at anything else, like most “public servants.” There is nobody in government, from top to bottom, that really cares about justice. Otherwise they would spend their energy in a way that didn’t give them an identity apart from their own actions. It’s a really pathetic situation we have to deal with.

    hey zeus | Feb 6, 2011 | Reply

  145. Yes, i’ve been stopped by this little Fuck (DPS Trooper David Riggs) in Wise County. He will commit Perjury in court to get a conviction. Wise county, TX is like going back in time.

    sarah Rhome | Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

  146. This is crap not all cops are “out to arrest you” or “take your freedom” your just a typical Lawyer.

    Matthew Tagerty | Feb 13, 2011 | Reply

  147. Yeah…those useless reports aren’t going to write themselves.

    pig-picker | Feb 27, 2011 | Reply

  148. who is going to protect me when someone breaks into my home??? me and my 30-30

    Tracey | Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

  149. No no no, Tracy, you’re not allowed to defend yourself. You might infringe on the rights of the intruder! You should just call 911 and as soon as they’re finished eating their doughnuts or beating the shit out of some black teenager they’ll get around to coming to your house.

    And if you’ve been murdered you can take comfort that there is a 60% chance they’ll catch your killer. Well, you could have if you weren’t dead. And if you’re only robbed, there’s almost a 16% chance they’ll solve the crime. Isn’t that impressive?

    Hittman | Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

  150. I just want to add to Tracey and Hittman. The police are being sold to us as our saviors. Our rights are diminished, especially if we have broken some politically correct law, so that the normal citizen cannot even hope to be trusted to defend their rights. We are regarded as children in this national social science experiment of control. It’s ironic that the average officer is ignorant of his/her role in this. Even if this effect isn’t intentional we are doomed by the stupidity of the people given power to destroy peoples lives, even more so than criminals. Ask yourself, are you more afraid of crime and scofflaws as you make your way through the world or are you watching your rear view mirror fearing the cop that is behind you? Even if you think you are DOING NOTHING WRONG. Why should anybody worry?

    hey zeus | Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

  151. Lets put my thoughts this way. Things can only get so bad (in a free society) just like things can only get so good. Anything more is oppression for the benefit of the government (any government). My DUI (.096 BAC) was reduced in a plea deal to 6 months probation and a stop sign violation (which wasn’t true. An agreed lie). 20 years ago I would have been legal. It’s a business. In this economy they are going to sell this business hard in the media with law enforcement worship. Look in your local daily paper. I bet their is a feel-good police article in there somewhere. WHY ARE THE POLICE TRYING TO BE SUCH A PART OF EVERYONE’S LIFE, LIKE THE WEATHER!!! Times aren’t so bad. Just bad laws that require more prisons that our government is relying on to give people jobs and reflect tax revenue because officials are elected based on statistics. I don’t want to sound like an asshole but I am too smart and want to do so much more with my life than to ever want to be a cop.

    hey zeus | Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

  152. I meant “there”, not “their” in my ninth sentence in the previous post. Fuck you trolls.

    hey zeus | Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

  153. Just to cover my ass in this police state, the CAPS are a question. ???. There, put them where they need to be.

    hey zeus | Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

  154. Is it deliberate that this site is impossible to read on Firefox? The font colour is invisible against the brown background.

    Derek | Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

  155. Check your Firefox/IE is up to date etc.

    Tamber | Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

  156. Gosh he doesn’t shut up …

    sdf | Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

  157. If the style sheet doesn’t load correctly you won’t be able to read anything on these pages. If it does it will be very readable.

    I’d suggest leaving the site completely, closing your browser, and trying again. Sorry for the inconvenience, but it does happen from time to time.

    Hittman | Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

  158. Talk about wildly shifting topics of conversation…

    GJ203 | Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

  159. I don’t fault the police, ’cause the people that run ‘em got ‘em on a short leash.

    Nick Danger | Mar 12, 2011 | Reply

  160. To all the people on this post who say the police aren’t out to arrest people. How much safety does a PA state trooper offer the commonwealth when he is willing to travel 90 plus mph around a blind curve that approaches a one lane bridge just to catch up with someone who might have rolled through a stop sign 2 miles before? I don’t think one cop in this state would be unwilling to do that for his record. Don’t be fucking stupid.

    hey zeus | Mar 19, 2011 | Reply

  161. Yea, the cops aren’t that bad.
    Its just 98% of them giving the rest a bad name!

    Jack | Apr 25, 2011 | Reply

  162. Um honestly alot of you people don’t really know what you’re talking about. All these ad cops you speak of… Haven’t you been around long enough to notice that only the bad stuff is publicized? People are so influenced by the news and media that they actually believe cops are brutal and bad (or at the very least covering up for their fellow cops) and that catholic priests are terrible child molesters. When in actuality the percentage of abusive priests in the catholic religion is BY FAR less than those in other religions, and a very low number at that. And it’s the same for cops. Most of the time they are brutal because they are dealing with brutal criminals. And the few that are bad, well, it’s a vast minority, it’s just that they are the only ones they bother talking about on the news. And what is all of this talk about good cops covering for the bad cops? Just about every time I’ve heard about police brutality, I also heard the cop(s) were fired/forced to resign/etc. So stop hating on cops just ’cause you don’t know how to drive the speed limit and not do drugs.

    Jessi | Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

  163. @hey Zeus… First of all I highly doubt that happens very often. Second of all if they didn’t enforce the laws what would be the purpose in having them in the first place? Did you ever consider that there is an actual REASON that it is illegal to run a stop sign? They don’t just make up laws for fun. And they have to be enforced or no one would follow them!

    Jessi | Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

  164. @Jessi
    One, you must be pretty neive to imagine that the Catholic Church is lower in the league tables for filthy perverts that some other religion that is not soley based on sexual deviation.
    We are talking of an institution here, not just a religion. It has a vast complex financial and political network that it protects with greater voracity than the word of the Lord. We will never know what the Pope and his predecessors have hide to hide, but what I doi know is we can’t pretend they are squeaky clean. I have had first hand knowledge of what a Catholic Priest can do, and they do it with protection from the church. Would you protect a child molester? Perhaps not, so what sort of institution does that make the Catholic Church?

    Tamber | Apr 29, 2011 | Reply

  165. @tamber
    Of course they try to hide it! I mean think about it… If they encouraged the information to be publicized, they know how many people would equate the actions of the few with the entire catholic religion. And they would be right. If your children became serial rapists or something equally embarrassing, would you want everyone to know? Of course not! The fact that they tried to hide it is obvious. They had to. What matters is that they got rid of the offenders and sent them to jail. Which they did in every case. And as a side note, Catholicism is not based on sexual deviance. It’s actually based on the belief in God and his son and the Bible and many other things. They just reiterate that our life on Earth is not about personal pleasure. And sex is the most common offense against that so they use it as a major example.

    Jessi | Apr 30, 2011 | Reply

  166. That is a quite astonishing pile of excrement you have used to argue your case there Jessi. Please peruse the 10 commandments(Catholic version)at this link:
    http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandments.html .
    Paying particular attention to Nos. 6 & 8.

    6, Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    8, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

    Now tell me, where in that lot do you see it is OK to have sex with inappropriate persons and then lie about it?
    No, didn’t think you could.
    Going by what you have said, it is OK for the Catholic Church to hide the sexual deviants in their priesthoods, because you “wouldn’t want everyone to know would you!”.
    I am sorry, but no one has the privilege of being able to conceal such wrongdoings, ever.
    I am also sorry that it would appear that by your own admission, you are in favour of covering up such indecent acts and that by deduction it would be entirely possible that you have committed such atrocities, but deny it because you “wouldn’t want anyone to know” would you”?
    Perhaps you had better not embarrass yourself any more and just say nothing.

    Tamber | Apr 30, 2011 | Reply

  167. “Hahaha, this author is a little bitch. All these crybabies whining about how the U.S. is turning into a “police state”. You have no idea what a police state is. For one, if you lived in a police state you wouldn’t be able to post bullshit like this without having your face punched in.

    Officer Suckme”

    and here is a perfect example of the complete testosterone fueled egotistical assholes that the authority to do what ever the fuck you want can turn a person into. it seems that this is the best representation of every reason we should plead the fifth. so thanks officer sucksme for proving how right the man in the video is

    greyside | May 5, 2011 | Reply

  168. You are a tool

    Dan | May 16, 2011 | Reply

  169. In the spirit of the above comment I shall now descend in to infantile school-yard argument mode;
    “I know you are but what am I?”

    GJ203 | May 16, 2011 | Reply

  170. I have never had a problem with a cop. I am polite and honest and I get out of almost everything because of it. I don’t murder or steal or fight them if I get arrested. I was arrested for long boarding down a hill nude at 3 a.m. I was seen by a single old man on a security camera. I was very cooperative with the officer. He wrote it off as me “disturbing the peace” so I wouldn’t go to jail and be put on a sex offenders list for being young and dumb. People who get the shit kicked out of them by cops are most likely asking for it. Lets be honest we all run our mouths I’m sure. We get unruly and somebody smacks some sense into us. We deserve it sometimes. I know anytime I have gotten a ticket its because I was doing something wrong. Instead of bitching about getting caught then throwing a fit and getting tazed I go ” I’ll stop doing that” or ” I’ll avoid getting caught next time” (((((((((( I’m sure none of you will read all of that but the point of it is people who have the “FUCK THE POLICE” attitude are fucking retarded.))))))))))

    Jon | May 19, 2011 | Reply

  171. One more thing. If you had to deal with the scum that an officer does I’m sure you would snap too. We all break at some point. I’m sure If I had to deal with any single one of you I would feel the need to beat somebody senseless for telling me to shove a ticket up my ass.

    Jon | May 19, 2011 | Reply

  172. Do please understand that your insipid rantings merely pigeonhole you as being suitable material for becoming a cop, that’s nothing to be proud of. You are just “one of them”. Ergo, you have little imagination and great difficulty grasping the concept of your own inadequacy, this encourages you to hide on the side of those with power, the police, as you are a weak and vulnerable individual seeking shelter and protection from those steafast boys in the police department.
    Only, they won’t appreciate you sticking up for them you must realize, they will still beat the shit out of you for littering or jaywalking.
    Best of luck with your crusade.

    Tamber | May 19, 2011 | Reply

  173. Interesting stuff. Unfortunately, we don’t have it the exact same way in Canada. Yes, we have the right to stay silent, and the cops have to tell us that, but they don’t have to stop asking. There was once a suspect who insisted on staying silent 18 times, and the cops continued questioning him each time.

    Farn | Jun 1, 2011 | Reply

  174. hahahahahahha. you must be exactly the type of “officer” that proves the validity of all of this.

    Amanda | Jun 3, 2011 | Reply

  175. Here in So Cal where I live, the cops routinely and randomly roust any and all teenagers and young adults without cause or provocation. It is to the point where my kids do not walk ANYWHERE because they will stop you -without probably cause – and search you looking for anything they can pin on you. And before some conservative jumps onto my post and tries to tell me that the kids were somehow ASKING for it or in the wrong place, knwo this about me; I was previously a Public Safety Dispatch II for CHP and worked as an Analyst in Chino Men’s Institution. I know the law, and these officers are straight up REACHING when they harrass these kids. Our rights no longer mean crap in America. All the officer has to do is lie (which they seem to have no problem doing) and the courts always listen to the officer. It’s getting ridiculous. We need to fight to maintain our rights here in America, because we are quickly becomign a police state…….

    Barbara | Jun 8, 2011 | Reply

  176. i think you are stupid as hell if you believe all that
    all a cop wants is to give tickets and make arrest so it looks good on his resume. he dont give a shit about you or what you have to say. he’ll twist, turn, or mingle anything you say to try to make you guilty,
    fuck cops. fuck them all

    Bob | Jun 27, 2011 | Reply

  177. i’ve been in one phase of the correctional system or another for more than half my life. i’ve been in over twenty different jails and two prisons. one might say that i’m pretty well accustomed to dealing with the police.

    having said that: police officers are people. people with jobs – stressful and potentially dangerous jobs. they are routinely faced with the very worst which humanity has to offer in terms of ignorance, anger and violence. in some highly-publicized cases, police officers snap and transgress the bounds of their official discretion in alarming ways. the vast majority of them, however, signed up to do a job and collect a paycheck.

    certain departments seem rife with corruption. the chicago police department is notorious for robbing and murdering people. still, the officers engaged in this sort of behavior make up a tiny fraction of the 13,000+ officers on the streets there.

    statements like ‘fuck the police’ or ‘the police are a bunch of thugs’ only make the situation worse. police officers already feel marginalized and threatened on a daily basis, and they will respond to hate and anger the same way most people do. here’s the difference between most people and them: an on-duty cop is a walking arsenal.

    i’m a registered violent offender. when i’m stopped by police – which is vastly more likely an occurrence for me than an average citizen – most departments have policies requiring them to execute a felony stop on me. i will have guns pointed at me. i will be restrained and otherwise controlled as though i were armed and dangerous. it’s a logical assumption given my documented history.

    i do not begrudge a police officer acting within the reasonable bounds of their discretion while prosecuting their lawful duties. i speak respectfully to them and am fully compliant up until they begin asking me questions regarding my suspected involvement in any sort of potential criminal activity. here is the main point of my posting all of this:

    DO NOT PROVIDE THE POLICE WITH ANY INFORMATION EXCEPT WHAT IS NECESSARY TO ESTABLISH YOUR IDENTITY.

    a police officer who is arresting you or questioning you while you’re being detained is not on your side. they’re a representative of the state. the state has a well-funded apparatus designed to generate criminal convictions, and police are simply the maw. any information you give to a police officer will be documented and passed up the line to the people responsible for having you found guilty of something.

    police, prosecutors, judges, correctional officers, probation and parole officers are not out to get you. it’s not personal. it’s not a part of some pseudo-fascist plot to control you. it’s a bunch of people working together, each one trying to pay the mortgage, just like everyone else.

    our country incarcerates more people, per capita, than any other country on the face of the earth. and this during the safest and most prosperous period in all of human history. (i mean what i say. turn off the television and go check the statistics.) the fundamental reason why? people being people; justifying their budgets and hoping that they’ll still have a job so they can pay the mortgage.

    jSIXk | Aug 7, 2011 | Reply

  178. And you are a raging douchebag. Go goose step back into your moms basement and shut the fuck up, the adults are trying to talk.

    JRobin | Aug 10, 2011 | Reply

  179. LOL @ thinking of police as a whole. That’s like saying “all people in jail have sex with children.” Police are people, some good, some abuse their authority. Get over yourselves. If you think you can be a better cop then go on ahead.

    Schizzaaf | Sep 16, 2011 | Reply

  180. someone explain to me how a roadblock, “license check,” is legal? why in the hell should a citizen be legally required to stop and provide proof that they are not breaking the law? and i don’t want to hear “if you’re not doing anything wrong it doesn’t matter.” IT MATTERS! we’re not supposed to have to prove our innocence.

    charley | Nov 9, 2011 | Reply

  181. Charley, The Supremes have ruled that roadblocks are legal as long as everybody gets stopped and harassed. It’s was just part of their ongoing campaign to make the fourth amendment a joke.

    Hittman | Nov 9, 2011 | Reply

  182. I think it is incredibly ignorant that this article claims that police are not there to protect us. There is a reason their motto is “to protect and serve.” Yes they will arrest you, but that is where their job ends. They do not convict you of anything. That is done by a judge and jury. They will NOT take your money or your freedom unless you have done something wrong. they are there to protect you, but they are also there to protect others from you.

    Chris | Nov 14, 2011 | Reply

  183. Amazing, isn’t it, how many people can be taken in by a slogan?

    Hittman | Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

  184. Mr. Wee Wee sez “yOu gO girl” and STAND FIRM BEHIND Barack!

    Mr. Wee Wee | Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

  185. let me start this off with saying i dont like cops. i dont like their attitudes, there shaved heads, or even their smell. they suck. I have been fucked with by them more times then i could ever possibly count. they are almost always dicks. ive met a few nice ones in my time, sure, but over all on a day to day run in, they have this overeager smug approach, and lovely way of talking down at/to you. but i guess if my job made me deal with jerk offs and lairs all day everyday, i would probably be one too. and i dont know to many strangers i can call if someones trying to kill me that will just rush in and try to save the day. maybe if they just gave everyone a gun and told them to hold there own? well it would at least take care of the over population problem….

    Jon | Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

  186. i say the system is broken, it was designed 200 plus years ago, of course it doesnt work. burn it down and start again….

    Jon | Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

  187. Jon, I agree with everything you said. It’s been awhile since I commented. I’d like to say that police shouldn’t be necessary. This country was founded without a police force at a time when everyone was responsible for themselves. Cops aren’t special, they just have authority because people today are happy to be children with no responsibility for their freedom or safety. To be free is to accept risk. To accept risk demands responsibility. It’s like a self governing natural law that requires people to grow up. People don’t want that responsibility. “Just call the cops. We gave them our rights and authority”.

    hey zeus | Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

  188. well if you respect them you are a naive fool.

    fdt | Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

  189. don’t lie to yourself you obviously have not dealt them, don’t judge everyone who has (believe it or not a lot of people are 100 percent innocent who they accuse!)

    fdt | Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

  190. I’m sorry but where are these videos? Perhaps a link?

    Alien Bill | Jan 10, 2012 | Reply

  191. You prove it with your mouth that the pigs with 4 legs have a much larger brain than you.As far as punching a face in PO-lice suck yourself I know your very SLOW so I will break it down for your kind PO=you = crap and lice is a tiny parasite which is by far the best thing about you SH-T eater punch that face

    john | Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

  192. I was pulled over with a friend as his passenger a few weeks ago. We were on our way to a friend’s house (admittedly buying weed, but we had nothing on us at the time) when right at the turn to his park, we were greeted by the dreaded flashing red and blue. Seeing as how we were buying weed and are minors, we took extra caution to not break any laws. We sat in the car for 15 minutes (don’t tell me they don’t harass you) waiting for the cop to come to the door. He finally comes, asks for license & registration and proof of insurance. We were in his parents car, the registration and insurance were not there, not our fault. He then informs us that we did not stop at the sign and drifted the turn, almost losing control of the car. Bullshit. He then asks our destination and intentions (harassment, that’s none of your goddamn business). My friend (the driver) tells him we are on our way to a friends house, because he doesn’t know how to talk to cops. Keep in mind this is both of our first ever traffic stop. The next question he asks blows my mind, because he makes it completely clear that he is only trying to make an arrest. He says, “Smoke anything tonight?” (we hadn’t). Don’t you usually start with have you had anything to drink? He then asks if a drug dog would find anything. Like an idiot, my friend says no, accidentally giving him consent to search. He didn’t, but we were polite and cooperative throughout, as opposed to the officer, who is an asshole throughout. It is obvious that we were profiled and the cop was not there to maintain justice. He was there to make an arrest on the first person he could. We smoked 5 straight joints in honor of that asshole later that night. Bottom line is, cops are not peacekeepers, they are law shielded extortionists for the state. Especially in Michigan, where I live. Fuck the police.

    Ace | Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

  193. Ace, have your friend watch these videos. Preferably twice. The only thing anyone should ever say to the cops after being stopped is:

    Am I being detained?

    Am I free to go?

    Repeat, and repeat, and repeat some more. Don’t answer any questions.

    You’re right, the primary purpose of most police stops is to raise revenue. If you handle it wrong (which can be as simple as answering a question or making a simple statement) you could be caged for a very long time.

    Dave Hitt | Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

  194. Not sure about your state, but I know for a fact that the police have no right to hold you longer than it takes to write the ticket. If you wait even 10 minutes for the drug dog to arrive, talk to a good lawyer, you might be able to get the dog dismissed as evidence, removing their right to have searched you.

    Also the standards for drug dogs are bullshit because there are so many different trainers and training programs. The only drug dogs that are going to hold up very well in court is a dog that is well documented to be accurate, or approved for use in Customs.

    Joe Wolf | Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

  195. the police are not your friend, and they are not there to help you. your better off not involving them in your life at all because you will regret it

    here is some entertainment and REAL justice for now

    http://youtu.be/Y3RSAtxvreQ

    Jay | Jun 12, 2012 | Reply

  196. You sir, are a bigoted idiot.

    Terry | Jun 21, 2012 | Reply

  197. Oh my god, what a bunch of paranoid bullshit. If you are not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about.

    Steven | Oct 22, 2012 | Reply

  198. http://gawker.com/5983900/cops-accused-of-starting-fire-as-charred-body-found-in-dorner-cabin

    The LAPD literally burned a suspect to death intentionally. If that doesn’t call for a Dave Hitt post, I don’t know what does.

    Ashley | Feb 13, 2013 | Reply

  199. Police are not there to nor are they required to protect the citizenry as you call them. Police are there to enforce laws and to put people behind bars. A defense attorney is not going to defend you, he is there to see that your Rights are adhered to. If you talked to police then you have given up a Right. You cannot be protected since you talked and since you talked your attorney has little to do to help you. The officer that arrested you will help you right? He said he would go easy on you if you would tell him the truth so you did. He is not going easy on you. The judge is the guy who is going to sentence you. The cop? He lied. He can do that. You can’t. You had a good defense in The Bill of Rights but you did not know that that was your first and best chance at freedom because you are an idiot, not really but you feel like one when you are escorted away handcuffed to another idiot in a line of idiots. First rule in prison? STFU!

    Bob Wyman | Jan 22, 2014 | Reply

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